Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10013 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2002 17:29:43 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Oct 2002 17:29:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27483 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2002 17:29:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Oct 2002 17:29:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 183gM3-0004Up-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:28:39 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 183gM3-0004Ug-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:28:39 +0100 Received: from host213-122-3-80.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.3.80] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 183gM2-0002wJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c27927$496f1fa0$50037ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:22:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Droopy load wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Bill and all, this is a difficult compromise, and I feel may differ from site to site. I see it like this..... If you put top load on a vertical you can increase its effective height and Rrad) from h/2 to close to h. If you have to droop them then you will loose some of this gain ....Laurie suggested to me it was of the order of 1/3rd of the overlap with the vertical. Yes the commercial boys use drooped loading wires on their Umbrella aerials..... see the pics of CFH on Dave's site, and DCF39, and the new Skelton 19kHz mast (cant remember the URL but it may be on Daves site as well) so it must be economic in their terms. BUT the thing is, Rrad is NOT everything that matters......increased capacity means a smaller loading coil, easier to make and less loss there, it also means a considerably reduced ground loss, particularly with amateur sized aerials. Since ground loss is our main "power thief" this part can well over-ride any small loss in Rrad because of the increase in aerial current from a given available PA power. You still need to keep it clear of the trees though. So by my reckoning, flat (level) is good..... but longer is better even drooped, and because the Rrad term is proportional to the square of the height ..even an extra 50% in vertical section height is well worth having, even if it then means drooping the top load a bit. An "ounce" of experimental measurement is worth several weeks playing with NEC !! Remote FS measurement as Bill says (and Jim has done extensively) is the only real test. Happy (aerial) farming Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com