Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74d092b672fd; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:56:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C1453800012C; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PSyMf-00014b-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:54:21 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PSyMe-00014S-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:54:20 +0000 Received: from smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSyMb-00084R-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:54:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 16447 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2010 20:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (77.49.75.185) by smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.30) with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2010 20:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <001201cb9c9a$381c3360$0101a8c0@amd4800> From: "George Vastianos" To: References: <2D9F1290-9246-4DFD-A0E6-D9D58DEF00AC@numeo.fr> <004301cb9c7b$1ee6e530$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <5DE9A45B-E923-46C1-A753-F219123F3B4E@gmail.com> <007b01cb9c87$ebe1c170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4D09179A.2060506@telus.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:54:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CB9CAA.F93BA480" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4d092b6449d8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CB9CAA.F93BA480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable good shot...Scott... 100% on target! 73 sv8gxc =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Tilley=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: LF: Rules of the Sand Box! The only reports I've seen on the reflector that I suspect are those= from you Mal. I've never seen evidence from you other than that you lack modern op= erating skills and generate a lot of hyperbole. You operate a station that is out of the dark ages without accurate= frequency calibration, relying on technology and skills of the 1940s= and the inability to employ modern integration techniques.=20 Yet you feel you have a 'right' to use the reflector to defame respe= cted members of our hobby and challenge their honour. =20 Somehow you have become deluded to believe you are the arbiter of wh= at is valid amateur radio. You're not, you're a grumpy old man, with no other outlet in life by= the look of it, and I suggest you reflect on that before WE insist th= at you be removed from the dialog here. Again, I ask you to 'play nice' in the sand box. The rules are simple(for most of us!): a.. Share your toys=20 b.. Play Fair=20 c.. Don't hit people=20 d.. Put things back where you found them=20 e.. Clean up your own mess=20 f.. Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody=20 g.. Don't tell lies=20 h.. Live a balanced life=20 73 Scott VE7TIL =20 On 12/15/2010 6:43 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Are you referring to the msg sent earlier on from Stefan stating= there was another BUG Are you saying this is Rubbish or what do you mean please explain,= I was only quoting an email that I read and advising John to be caref= ul. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF - distances achjeved Rubbish=20 Sent from my iPod Touch 4g On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" = wrote: John Be careful what you publish for accuracy, there are conflictin= g reports about what takes place on VLF/LF/MF - lots of inaccuracies.= =20 ie carriers seen but no ID then the questions on the reflector= , was that you if not who was it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw an X then a Y who was that? Too much guesswork and no po= sitive ID Published articles need hard facts and some people would belie= ve anything they read. It is like newspapers often the facts are disto= rted to make a good story and it is hard to tell FACTS from FICTION G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Rabson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: LF: VLF - distances achjeved I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radio & Electronics= Group Journal and would like to include distance records. Can people= please confirm that the following information is correct (or not)?=20 Above-ground antennas Hz ERP mW From To km=20 8970 58 Heidelberg Israel 2873=20 6470 9 Heidelberg Breclav 904=20 5170 5 Heidelberg Breclav 904=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Earth current antennas Hz TX power W Electrode spacing m From To km=20 8970 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 6470 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 5170 250 600 Heidelberg Roschbach 72=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Thank you.=20 John F5VLF ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CB9CAA.F93BA480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
good shot...Scott... 100% on=20 target!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sco= tt Tilley=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 15,= 2010 9:31=20 PM
Subject: LF: Rules of the San= d Box!

The only reports I've seen on the reflector that I su= spect are=20 those from you Mal.

I've never seen evidence from you other= than that=20 you lack modern operating skills and generate a lot of hyperbole.
You=20 operate a station that is out of the dark ages without accurate freq= uency=20 calibration, relying on technology and skills of the 1940s and the= inability=20 to employ modern integration techniques.

Yet you feel you ha= ve a=20 'right' to use the reflector to defame respected members of our hobb= y and=20 challenge their honour. 

Somehow you have become delude= d to=20 believe you are the arbiter of what is valid amateur radio.

Y= ou're not,=20 you're a grumpy old man, with no other outlet in life by the look of= it, and I=20 suggest you reflect on that before WE insist that you be removed fro= m the=20 dialog here.

Again, I ask you to 'play nice' in the sand=20 box.

The rules are simple(for most of us!):
  • Share your toys=20
  • Play Fair=20
  • Don't hit people=20
  • Put things back where you found them=20
  • Clean up your own mess=20
  • Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody=20
  • Don't tell lies=20
  • Live a balanced life


73=20 Scott
VE7TIL






 

On 12/15/20= 10 6:43=20 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Are you referring to th= e msg sent=20 earlier on from Stefan stating there was another BUG
Are you saying this is Rubbish or= what do you=20 mean please explain, I was only quoting an email that I read and= advising=20 John to be careful.
 
g3kev
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, December= 15, 2010=20 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: VLF= - distances=20 achjeved

Rubbish 

Sent from my iPod Touch 4g

On 15 Dec 2010, at 17:11, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

John
Be careful what you publish= for accuracy,=20 there are conflicting reports about what takes place on VLF/LF= /MF - lots=20 of inaccuracies.
ie carriers seen but no ID th= en the=20 questions on the reflector,  was that you if not who was= it=20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw an X then a Y who was= that? Too much=20 guesswork and no positive ID
Published articles need hard= facts and some=20 people would believe anything they read. It is like newspapers= often the=20 facts are distorted to make a good story and it is hard to tel= l FACTS=20 from FICTION
 
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Wednesday, Dece= mber 15,=20 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: LF: VLF - di= stances=20 achjeved

I am writing a piece on VLF for the Cave Radi= o &=20 Electronics Group Journal and would like to include distance= records.=20  Can people please confirm that the following informati= on is=20 correct (or not)?=20


Above-ground antennas


Hz=
ERP mW
From
To=
km=
8970
58=
Heidelberg
Israel
2873
6470
9<= /DIV>
Heidelberg
Breclav
904
5170
5<= /DIV>
Heidelberg
Breclav
904





Earth current antennas


Hz=
TX power= =20 W
Electrode= spacing=20 m
From
To=
km=
8970
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72=
6470
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72=
5170
250
600
Heidelberg
Roschbach
72=






Thank you.

John F5VLF


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