Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4803 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1999 23:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by 212.159.2.35 with SMTP; 20 Dec 1999 23:42:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 120Cqa-0003zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:08:12 +0000 Received: from mb04.swip.net ([193.12.122.208]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 120CqY-0003zp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:08:11 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer (d212-151-86-227.swipnet.se [212.151.86.227]) by mb04.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23251 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:34:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001201bf4b43$28c42b20$e35697d4@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: SV: qrss Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:37:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal, >Can anyone explain to me why qrss is necessary on 136 khz. All the >activity that I have heard on this frequency is workable on normal speed >cw at my qth. And, the activity you didn't *hear* is not ;-) Seriously, the received noise power is proportional to the receiver bandwidth (assuming random noise). Most of the information energy of a typical QRSS CW signal is contained within a fraction of a Hz of bandwidth. I have been told that the equivalent bandwidth of the human ear (trained CW operator) is about 50 Hz, which means that 22 dB (7 watts instead of 1kW, for example!) can be gained from using Spectrogram running a 16K point FFT (about 1/3 Hz BW per FFT bin at 5513 Hz sampling frequency). In addition, a few more dB's can be gained by averaging FFT's. Unfortunately, averaging is not as effective as reducing the BW since the S/N is proportional to the square root of the number of averaged samples. For example, I got a solid copy of IK1ODO's qrss transmission on the Spectrogram screen while the signal was *totally* inaudible to my ear. I even tried to move the VFO up and down (I think a slowly varying tone is easier to detect by ear) but all I heard was noise... Marcos's CW was solid on the screen! 73, Johan, SM6LKM