Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2AD9638000212; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1U4sEU-0001Xf-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:11:38 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1U4sET-0001XW-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:11:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U4sER-00027O-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:11:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgKAIHNGFFcF/qP/2dsb2JhbABEqSQDlnEDehdzghoFAQEFCAEBA0kCDx0BAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh28DE79MjD+BeoNUA4gwhVeYcIMG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,641,1355097600"; d="scan'208,217";a="418800402" Received: from host-92-23-250-143.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.250.143]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2013 12:11:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001101ce0850$e25043c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:11:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Chris Those that just listen as you put it are but Short Wave Listeners and do not really have an input. It is the Transmitting Radio Amateur looking for vacant slots on the band to propagate their RF that need to be consulted if there is to be a Band Plan. Like I said CW operators have nothing to fear since they just slot into any vacant frequency and commence a QSO, no prior arrangements are necessary like DIAL frequency and exact TIME SYNC to decode the 24/7 Beacon Grinders. Another advantage of the CW mode is speed. A QSO normally lasts minutes in which time all relevant information is passed, then the frequency is vacated for others. ie maximum frequency economy. On LF es MF with bands of only a few Khz wide, if CW was the Norm there would be no need for a Band Plan. QRP transmissions do not have much impact, it is usually the RX operators system doing all the work. g3kev [...] Content analysis details: (3.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 3.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: e51657317b06d9cbe905ec682fad6602 Subject: LF: Re: 472kHz Bandplan or whatever Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CE0850.E203F880" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b965118e6347d86 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CE0850.E203F880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris=20 Those that just listen as you put it are but Short Wave Listeners and do = not really have an input. It is the Transmitting Radio Amateur looking = for vacant slots on the band to propagate their RF that need to be = consulted if there is to be a Band Plan. Like I said CW operators have nothing to fear since they just slot into = any vacant frequency and commence a QSO, no prior arrangements are = necessary like DIAL frequency and exact TIME SYNC to decode the 24/7 = Beacon Grinders.=20 Another advantage of the CW mode is speed. A QSO normally lasts minutes = in which time all relevant information is passed, then the frequency is = vacated for others. ie maximum frequency economy.=20 On LF es MF with bands of only a few Khz wide, if CW was the Norm there = would be no need for a Band Plan. QRP transmissions do not have much impact, it is usually the RX = operators system doing all the work.=20 g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:15 AM Subject: LF: 472kHz Bandplan or whatever Hi Mal, Re your comment:- Those shouting most and expression opinions about LF and MF are never = heard on the bands.=20 Surely equal weight should be given to the opinions of those who just = listen or run QRP? I have been running 1W RF on the band since January, = probably well below your RX threshold, and working a couple of 'locals' = regularly. So my opinion doesn't count in your book? Rik has come up with the most logical suggestion so far. We really do = need some sort of organisation on the band, all be it of the 'light = touch' variety. My feeling (which apparently probably doesn't count) is, modes with = long carriers should be near the band edges, ideally QRSS near the = bottom and others near the top. Filters easily resolve the issue of QRSS = being close to faster CW, as you, Mal, pointed out to me some years ago. Criticising suggestions is all very well, but it would be better if = such criticism was supported by reasoned argument or a better proposal. On another point, someone commented about the 'Subject' in e-mails to = this site. I entirely agree with what was said. Not only the mode under = discussion, but it has been confusing sometimes in the past when the = band is not specified either in the 'Subject', or even the content! Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CE0850.E203F880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris
Those that just listen as you put it are but = Short Wave=20 Listeners and do not really have an input. It is the Transmitting Radio = Amateur=20 looking for vacant slots on the band to propagate their RF =  that need=20 to be consulted if there is to be a Band Plan.
Like I said CW operators have nothing to fear = since they=20 just slot into any vacant frequency  and commence a QSO, no prior=20 arrangements are necessary like DIAL frequency and exact TIME SYNC to = decode the=20 24/7 Beacon Grinders.
Another advantage of the CW mode is speed. A QSO = normally=20 lasts minutes in which time all relevant information is passed, then the = frequency is vacated for others. ie maximum frequency economy. =
On LF es MF with bands of only a few Khz wide, = if=20  CW was the Norm there would be no need for a Band = Plan.
QRP transmissions do not have much impact, it is = usually=20 the RX operators system doing all the work. 
g3kev
  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 = 10:15=20 AM
Subject: LF: 472kHz Bandplan or = whatever

Hi Mal,
Re your comment:-
Those shouting most and expression opinions = about LF and=20 MF are never heard on the bands.
Surely equal weight should be given = to the=20 opinions of those who just listen or run QRP? I have been running 1W = RF on the=20 band since January, probably well below your RX threshold, and working = a=20 couple of 'locals' regularly. So my opinion doesn't count in your=20 book?
Rik has come up with the most logical = suggestion=20 so far. We really do need some sort of organisation on the band, all = be it of=20 the 'light touch' variety.
My feeling (which apparently probably = doesn't=20 count) is, modes with long carriers should be near the band edges, = ideally=20 QRSS near the bottom and others near the top. Filters easily resolve = the issue=20 of QRSS being close to faster CW, as you, Mal, pointed out to me some = years=20 ago.
Criticising suggestions is all very = well, but it=20 would be better if such criticism was supported by reasoned argument = or a=20 better proposal.
On another point, someone commented = about the=20 'Subject' in e-mails to this site. I entirely agree with what was = said. Not=20 only the mode under discussion, but it has been confusing sometimes in = the=20 past when the band is not specified either in the 'Subject', or=20 even the content!
Vy 73,
Chris,=20 G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CE0850.E203F880--