Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.27]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-8b764c35017116a; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:36:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B82F33800012D; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OWdDH-0001xv-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:35:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OWdDG-0001xm-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:35:30 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OWdDG-0000Hj-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 23:35:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 57312 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2010 22:35:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=yiXYBgvgnRXdj8AH/D5lD0xL/7cqPtAXi042GLrFvWrW2Cyz32kYTv5T97pgbF+fdHThEOrmkmrbaoUKFUhm4wO0QLX2vs57TYFJdComOErJoJGCt2DQ/ns1yyRfpehl20DlSjafmyo7lgLM7dCjr5gvpGFxXuxT31/B12te43I= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1278542123; bh=dY+CwxbnxfAguuT4BC+96a223BjW06/fecSW0gT95/E=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=I6PE84yGtkbOVg24X/olkK08CDTccOPfnjx1RJGgj64oEvqceQ5BC2LPjlD4yyRQ/UmrMUqOY7ypMT0SsUqK/dzsI/7hEssBzM99xvWipQ5o5j1euZiCbbGK42nE6gHhBxVhI3yd0qbnnH7RPuVhDDlBSNMZ7BziIQYNEoxN9xA= Received: from lark (alan.melia@86.169.221.237 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2010 22:35:23 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-YMail-OSG: JkNppMAVM1ndSsL730ELBgIFBg6CBfCM8psFzqYoMfd8tV9UZkDCcn.SIVmjMHruH.CwPIIGBMo.GWbj04sGnUQxPwAtyLsclxYu_3hgZhjPQ648.5kKzO7t2y6gXfrm208Jc6okw64f96ZxjMNr8v4ovwOI1xOwf8AJHdw4SJHZajPmhOvt6nQjYxBnDkFQNa.NosBYDm29Ume7SxHWgFENLxdFIq9gKlDbm4vp2wqxp96omO76seJp.8z3WkvC32Z_pGQDQh6dAmhZcifjuW5tCDSZyPIjS5avIGQz3nFN7j6j5ErnZBTJ3Ocwk9OrK34- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001cb1e24$b052bf60$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4C305875.8010902@legal-medicine.de> <4C3062A2.5000701@usa.net> <4C307F08.3090903@legal-medicine.de> <4C30A525.8070302@usa.net> <001401cb1d55$2369c0f0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4C34FB12.6000908@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:27:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100707-1, 07/07/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: QRN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d295.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411b4c35016f4fdf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stefan, be very careful about your belief that the noise is lower= in the morning !! This may not be the case. It may be quieter but..........Th= ere are two components of noise local and distant It could be that the dis= tant noise is not propagaing as well at dawn!! This is what happens on 136k= Hz. It was thought for a long time that this was the best time for QSOs......= .but in practice it was found not to be so. The best time was usually a few= hours earlier. Just pre-dawn at mid-path. The noise was higher but the wante= d signal was also a lot stronger. I am cautious about extrapolating 136 to 9kHz but at 20kHz the mornin= g an evening dips on the stations monitored by SID detectors are due to inc= reased aborption. On 136 the mornings are quiet on the west coasts of Europe= the sun has destroyed the skywave from eastern Europe. On the Easten Coast= of the US the quietest time is the evening when the shadow is just aproac= hing and the noise sources to the west are still in daylight. I admit I don= t know how the VLF noise behaves. Though I suspect a lot of that is lighning induced. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:09 PM Subject: VLF: QRN > Dear group, > > Today the average VLF QRN level was pretty low! Also the minimum QRN= gap > in the morning becomes braoder again. Maybe the most awaited DX peri= od > starts slowly? > > Best wishes, Stefan/DK7FC >