Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a6b475ecc5b42; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:44:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA053-a6b475ecc5b42; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:43:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1J2988-0004m6-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:42:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1J2988-0004lx-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:42:52 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J2985-0003m8-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:42:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 27855 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 17:42:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lBIUcjnxAUpZmH1y2BQ0HVbi4l4OyWFXtrl2738pXzYSFdbR8Hlq5OXZ8mNeKAiQedY2iVovn0iKURZr+jC2XWRowlqY5RcdbcV6i4vFey5UiROE2lziICuhKvnlQTwuwCYzXmqnE5xokGCrUheQS6ewFzXMK2iky+dcYrVNPkU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.19.91 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 17:42:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VYfOcMcVM1n1p_N53bGSqlT6_A2_ARKFTXD6s9wDrM5hvYyoyWYRyh2gwuVs4xu4j9napqIDKMjmRcs7po0feJYAvz7yFeysQNH6S6vfeYrxoHyw.N2BDvuDHA0- Message-ID: <001001c83c1d$38af7480$0900a8c0@Lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001201c83be4$79fff920$0401a8c0@ken> <001f01c83be6$6978cb20$0900a8c0@Lark> <001a01c83be8$4be13140$0401a8c0@ken> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:40:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: IRF530N in 500kHz PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Ken then you may need either a transformer or a switching stage that will drive move that 6 to 8 volts on to the gate and handle the high gate capacitance. There is not much point I believe in trying to run in Class C with this kind of device, It is a lot easier to go right to Class D/E, they are not very linear devices. You may get nearer to Class C type operation with a audio power FET but these are much more expensive. The 530 is intended to be used as a switch. The step up output circuit does work I have used one of these on a PA stage. It does need tuning which is a little difficult (high C) but does avoid a transformer. You do also need to be careful about the coils. I uses low permiability iron dust or air cored. Ferrite cores are too lossy in this application (filters and tuned circuits). Good Luck with it Cheeers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Wright" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: IRF530N in 500kHz PA Hi Alan, Thanks for the reply, I am trying to run it in pseudo class C, driving it from a xtal controlled osc, 10mW output into a buffer/driver amp. 73 Ken M0KHW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 11 December 2007 11:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: IRF530N in 500kHz PA Hi Ken I suggest you are probably not driving it hard enough. Many of these switching FETs require more than 6 volts to swich on hard and they have a very high gate capacity so you need some current drive capability as well. We have used a pnp-npn totem pole driver on 12v to good effect. I think there may be troubles if you are trying to get it linear. If you are trying to go ClassD/ E then you should not be tuning for max output but for the correct drain wave form. I cant comment on Class A /B performance. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/classepa.htm Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Wright" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: LF: IRF530N in 500kHz PA Has anyone experienced problems using an IRF530N in a 500kHz PA?. I am using an IRF530N into an L – C – L output network the design parameters for the network are input:10 ohms, output 50 ohms, centre frequency 502.5 kHz, Q = 12, giving, L1 38µH, C1 3.7nF, L2 84µH, C1 consists of a 3.3nF fixed capacitor plus a 2 gang 500pF variable, 3mH inductor in the drain. I have tried driving the MOSFET with a 5v positive peak signal, and with a 3v rms signal sitting on a +ve bias, I have managed to obtain 5w into a Marconi TF1152A/1 (50Ω) power meter about three times, but when 12v is removed from the PA and reconnected there is no output, C1 is adjusted for maximum power output, but is never the same position twice, and there seems to be a very critical adjustment of the drive to obtain, a) an output, b) anything that looks like a sine wave, although when I have got it right there is a very good sine wave. Any ideas anyone as to what may be going wrong? My direct e-mail is ken.h.wright@btinternet.com 73 Ken Wright M0KHW IO91TV