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Looks like we're on the road to recreating the same old problem again this 
year ... merging the EU and US ' dx windows '. Reception of EU stations will 
not be possible on this end with a 100% duty cycle QROO station in the 'EU 
window'.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Markus Vester
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:52 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops}


  Hi Graham, Stefan,

  it's not so much a question of whether one prefers to state RF or dial 
frequency. I think Stefan is saying (and I would agree) that if Bob moved to 
137.4 to 137.6 (ie. 136.0 dial), he would have more potential receivers in 
Europe. For example, PI4THT and possibly other unmamned monitors are 
continuously watching this range.

  Best 73,
  Markus (DF6NM)


  From: Graham
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:08 PM
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops}


  S.. It was   WSPR  that  gave the  world  the concept of  'dial 
frequency'   for  data  mode  operation  , the  exact  qrg is  not  relevant 
, only  that  it  falls inside the  decoder  window    , set the  rx  to 
136.2  and   retire immediately  .......dont  forget  these are  beacon 
stations  , so  are not bound  by the  normal  band  allocations  .. and are 
not  licensed  for qso 's    ( which  would  be a  interesting   situation 
using  the  new  JT mode  beacon/beacon )

  G.

  Tonight  being

  WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq)


  From: Stefan Schäfer
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:58 PM
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops}


  Warren,

  Why is he TXing on 137.7 kHz and not on 137.5 kHz +- 0.1 kHz? The risk 
will be high that some stations will listen on the wrong frequency!

  73, Stefan

  Am 06.12.2012 20:31, schrieb Warren Ziegler:
    Stefan,
       ERP is approx 10W, yes Bob is Very Serious!
    73 Warren





    On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Schäfer 
<Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:

      Hi Warren,

      What is his ERP, roughly? Do you know? Is it "serious"?

      73, Stefan

      Am 06.12.2012 20:21, schrieb Warren Ziegler:


        Bob W2ZM will NOT be on 499.5 (600m) tonight
        However he will be on 2200m WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) with the 
call WE2XEB commencing 2300 UTC.


        -- 
        73 Warren K2ORS
                        WD2XGJ
                        WD2XSH/23
                        WE2XEB/2
                        WE2XGR/1










    -- 
    73 Warren K2ORS
                    WD2XGJ
                    WD2XSH/23
                    WE2XEB/2
                    WE2XGR/1



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looks like we're on the road&nbsp;to=20
recreating&nbsp;the same old problem again this year ...&nbsp;merging =
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US ' dx windows '.&nbsp;Reception of EU stations&nbsp;will not be =
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dmarkusvester@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">Markus=20
  Vester</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 06, =
2012 4:52=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 =
WSPR [136.2=20
  dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops}</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Graham, Stefan,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it's not so much a question of =
whether&nbsp;one=20
  prefers to state RF or dial frequency. I think Stefan is&nbsp;saying =
(and I=20
  would agree) that if Bob moved to 137.4 to 137.6 (ie.&nbsp;136.0 =
dial), he=20
  would&nbsp;have more potential receivers in Europe. For=20
  example,&nbsp;PI4THT&nbsp;and possibly other unmamned monitors are=20
  continuously watching this range.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Best =
73,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial>Markus =
(DF6NM)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma"><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5; FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dg8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk=20
  href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">Graham</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:08 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;STRG + Klicken, um =
Verkn=FCpfung zu folgen"=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO =
WE2XGR/6=20
  ops}</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>S..&nbsp;It was&nbsp;&nbsp; WSPR&nbsp; that&nbsp;&nbsp;gave =
the&nbsp;=20
  world&nbsp; the&nbsp;concept of &nbsp;'dial&nbsp;=20
  frequency'&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for&nbsp; data&nbsp; mode&nbsp; =
operation&nbsp; ,=20
  the&nbsp; exact&nbsp; qrg is&nbsp; not&nbsp; relevant , only&nbsp; =
that&nbsp;=20
  it&nbsp; falls inside the&nbsp; decoder&nbsp; =
window&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;,=20
  set the&nbsp; rx&nbsp; to&nbsp; 136.2&nbsp; and&nbsp;&nbsp; retire=20
  immediately&nbsp; .......dont&nbsp; forget&nbsp; these are&nbsp; =
beacon=20
  stations&nbsp; , so&nbsp; are not bound&nbsp; by the&nbsp; =
normal&nbsp;=20
  band&nbsp; allocations&nbsp; .. and are&nbsp; not&nbsp; licensed&nbsp; =
for qso=20
  's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( which&nbsp; would&nbsp; be a&nbsp;=20
  interesting&nbsp;&nbsp; situation using&nbsp; the&nbsp; new&nbsp; JT=20
  mode&nbsp; beacon/beacon )</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>G.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Tonight&nbsp; being&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial></FONT><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de&#10;CTRL + Click =
to follow link"=20
  href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de">Stefan =
Sch=E4fer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:58 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&#10;CTRL + Click to =
follow link"=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO =
WE2XGR/6=20
  ops}</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
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size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>Warren,=20
  <BR><BR>Why is he TXing on 137.7 kHz and not on 137.5 kHz +- 0.1 kHz? =
The risk=20
  will be high that some stations will listen on the wrong frequency!=20
  <BR><BR>73, Stefan<BR><BR>Am 06.12.2012 20:31, schrieb Warren Ziegler: =

  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  =
cite=3Dmid:CAMFjj73ZVKHtZJYRMLggrqOt6VtEURQ6ZNYGmTj76sRfXExO=3Dg@mail.gma=
il.com=20
  type=3D"cite">Stefan,=20
    <DIV>&nbsp; &nbsp;ERP is approx 10W, yes Bob is Very Serious!</DIV>
    <DIV>73 Warren</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Stefan =
Sch=E4fer <SPAN=20
    dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de"=20
    target=3D_blank=20
    =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de</A>&gt;</S=
PAN>=20
    wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Hi=20
      Warren,<BR><BR>What is his ERP, roughly? Do you know? Is it=20
      "serious"?<BR><BR>73, Stefan<BR><BR>Am 06.12.2012 20:21, schrieb =
Warren=20
      Ziegler:=20
      <DIV class=3DHOEnZb>
      <DIV class=3Dh5><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Bob=20
        W2ZM will NOT be on 499.5 (600m) tonight<BR>However he will be =
on 2200m=20
        WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) with the call WE2XEB commencing =
2300=20
        UTC.<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>73 Warren K2ORS<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WD2XGJ<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;=20
        &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WD2XSH/23<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WE2XEB/2<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
        &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=20
    =
WE2XGR/1<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><=
BR=20
    clear=3Dall>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR>73 Warren K2ORS<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WD2XGJ <BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; &nbsp; WD2XSH/23<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    &nbsp; WE2XEB/2<BR>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;=20
    =
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