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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Looks like we're on the road to recreating the same old problem again this year ... merging the EU and US ' dx windows '. Reception of EU stations will not be possible on this end with a 100% duty cycle QROO station in the 'EU window'. [...] Content analysis details: (3.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.62.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (jrusgrove[at]comcast.net) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 3.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_4379D X-Scan-Signature: ae3221d431bd19e5880aa98eda07ece4 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops} Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01CDD3D5.C62E99D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dc01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : comcast.net DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408150c11a3434f8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CDD3D5.C62E99D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Looks like we're on the road to recreating the same old problem again this year ... merging the EU and US ' dx windows '. Reception of EU stations will not be possible on this end with a 100% duty cycle QROO station in the 'EU window'. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops} Hi Graham, Stefan, it's not so much a question of whether one prefers to state RF or dial frequency. I think Stefan is saying (and I would agree) that if Bob moved to 137.4 to 137.6 (ie. 136.0 dial), he would have more potential receivers in Europe. For example, PI4THT and possibly other unmamned monitors are continuously watching this range. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Graham Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops} S.. It was WSPR that gave the world the concept of 'dial frequency' for data mode operation , the exact qrg is not relevant , only that it falls inside the decoder window , set the rx to 136.2 and retire immediately .......dont forget these are beacon stations , so are not bound by the normal band allocations .. and are not licensed for qso 's ( which would be a interesting situation using the new JT mode beacon/beacon ) G. Tonight being WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) From: Stefan Schäfer Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops} Warren, Why is he TXing on 137.7 kHz and not on 137.5 kHz +- 0.1 kHz? The risk will be high that some stations will listen on the wrong frequency! 73, Stefan Am 06.12.2012 20:31, schrieb Warren Ziegler: Stefan, ERP is approx 10W, yes Bob is Very Serious! 73 Warren On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Schäfer wrote: Hi Warren, What is his ERP, roughly? Do you know? Is it "serious"? 73, Stefan Am 06.12.2012 20:21, schrieb Warren Ziegler: Bob W2ZM will NOT be on 499.5 (600m) tonight However he will be on 2200m WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) with the call WE2XEB commencing 2300 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CDD3D5.C62E99D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks like we're on the road to=20 recreating the same old problem again this year ... merging = the EU and=20 US ' dx windows '. Reception of EU stations will not be = possible on=20 this end with a 100% duty cycle QROO station in the 'EU window'.=20  
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  = WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Thursday, December 06, = 2012 4:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 = WSPR [136.2=20 dial freq] {NO WE2XGR/6 ops}

Hi Graham, Stefan,
 
it's not so much a question of = whether one=20 prefers to state RF or dial frequency. I think Stefan is saying = (and I=20 would agree) that if Bob moved to 137.4 to 137.6 (ie. 136.0 = dial), he=20 would have more potential receivers in Europe. For=20 example, PI4THT and possibly other unmamned monitors are=20 continuously watching this range.  
 
Best = 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)

From: Graham
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:08 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO = WE2XGR/6=20 ops}

S.. It was   WSPR  that  gave = the =20 world  the concept of  'dial =20 frequency'   for  data  mode  = operation  ,=20 the  exact  qrg is  not  relevant , only  = that =20 it  falls inside the  decoder  = window    ,=20 set the  rx  to  136.2  and   retire=20 immediately  .......dont  forget  these are  = beacon=20 stations  , so  are not bound  by the  = normal =20 band  allocations  .. and are  not  licensed  = for qso=20 's    ( which  would  be a =20 interesting   situation using  the  new  JT=20 mode  beacon/beacon )
 
G.
 
Tonight  being 
 
WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq)

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:58 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB 137.7 WSPR [136.2 dial freq] {NO = WE2XGR/6=20 ops}

Warren,=20

Why is he TXing on 137.7 kHz and not on 137.5 kHz +- 0.1 kHz? = The risk=20 will be high that some stations will listen on the wrong frequency!=20

73, Stefan

Am 06.12.2012 20:31, schrieb Warren Ziegler: = Stefan,=20
   ERP is approx 10W, yes Bob is Very Serious!
73 Warren



On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Stefan = Sch=E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 Warren,

What is his ERP, roughly? Do you know? Is it=20 "serious"?

73, Stefan

Am 06.12.2012 20:21, schrieb = Warren=20 Ziegler:=20

Bob=20 W2ZM will NOT be on 499.5 (600m) tonight
However he will be = on 2200m=20 WSPR on 137.7 (136.2 dial freq) with the call WE2XEB commencing = 2300=20 UTC.


--
73 Warren K2ORS
      =  =20         WD2XGJ
      =    =20       WD2XSH/23
        =  =20       WE2XEB/2
        =  =20      =20 = WE2XGR/1




<= BR=20 clear=3Dall>

--
73 Warren K2ORS
        =  =20       WD2XGJ
          =  =20     WD2XSH/23
            =  =20   WE2XEB/2
              =  =20 = WE2XGR/1

 
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