Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23149 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 00:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 21 May 2004 00:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 88858 invoked from network); 21 May 2004 00:27:47 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 May 2004 00:27:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BQxt4-000MmZ-Kj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:27:46 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BQxsH-0002Ew-5g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:26:57 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BQxsG-0002Ek-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:26:56 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.salmark.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BR4Qo-0006sg-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:27:02 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO rogersservices) (james.moritz@81.135.134.46 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2004 00:26:43 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000f01c43ec9$9c9251c0$2e868751@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003201c43d13$c22fc500$2102000a@ibm> Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: output transformer problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear Dick, LF Group, I have been playing around with different output circuit arrangements for my G0MRF TX board - the simplest configuration which gives good results is like this:- -The 470nF capacitor C23 is eliminated completely. -Inductor L4 is increased in value to 56uH (25 turns of 1mm enamelled wire on T106-26 iron dust core) The value is not at all critical, provided it is more than about 20uH and can handle the DC current. High Q is not required. -Capacitors C22 and C24 are each replaced with a series combination of 4.7nF + 5ohms (2x 10ohm, 3W in parallel). -The PA transformer uses an ex-monitor line output transformer core. The secondary is 16turns of 1mm enamelled wire close-wound in the middle of the round leg of the core. The primaries are 2x 4t bifilar wound directly over the secondary. The wire used for the primaries was home-made "litz", consisting of 3 groups of 4x 0.3mm enamelled copper wires, with additional insulation of thin heat-shrink sleeving. I have now tried several ex-monitor LOPT cores for the output transformer; they all work well. The rest of the circuit is as shown in the original G0MRF design. The drive circuit and output filter is unchanged. With this arrangement, and DC input of about 37V, 12A, about 400W is obtained with efficiency something over 90%. The temperature rise was OK after 30 minutes continuous "key down" operation. As far as the DC input goes, as with switching mode amplifiers in general, the DC current is proportional to the DC voltage - in this case, the amplifier behaves like a 3.1 ohm resistor as far as the PSU is concerned. The power output varies as the square of the DC supply voltage, down to very low values. The waveforms in the circuit are less than ideal in comparison with a "text-book" current-fed class D amplifier. It is possible to improve efficiency and reduce harmonics somewhat by changing the PA output network and by further improvements to the output transformer to reduce leakage inductance. However the practical difference this makes is probably not very great, unless you are really striving for perfection. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: LF: output transformer problems > Hello all, > > due to circumstances I'll have less time to work on the transmitter. > > Meanwhile I tried several other transformers, as well as some > other things, like disconnecting the Scottky diodes and the 470nF > C's . > Now I have 6R8 from the TC4426 direct to the gates, which > are grounded with 47k resistor. > I tried all kind of things around the FET's with other C's to ground or > with C-R to ground etc. > Some progress has been made, but still difficult. > > The ouput filter seems to have a quite large influence on the over all > drain current. > Also the value of the capacitor that grounds the centre tap is important. > In my case I found better results at 330nF. > > Several available cores tested, like 3C11 (white) and 3E1 (green) both 36mm. > Also tried an T106-26 from an old computer SMPS. > > Wonder what current I should have when applying lower supply voltages > to the FET's. > For example. what currents to others have at 15V or 20V or so. > > 73, Dick, pa4vhf >