Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7167 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2003 23:20:15 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Feb 2003 23:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10068 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2003 23:20:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2003 23:20:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18jSdo-0001dW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:40 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.142] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18jSdn-0001dN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:19:39 +0000 Received: from [80.225.212.23] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 18jSbc-0004av-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:17:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2d3b6$70b1bc00$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1ee.1cfb5f1.2b7d3963@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:20:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: EH-Antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Is there any evidence, anywhere, showing that one of these wonder antennas produces more gain than a conventional short monopole of the same height- and here's the important bit - given the same amount of metal. That metal could be buried radials, a fatter radiator or whatever, just not used to give extra height. Just curious A believer in simple Electromagnetics Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: LF: EH-Antenna > In a message dated 2/13/03 9:46:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Bernd.Grupe@t-online.de writes: > > << If the loss of efficiency will be abt. 10dB compared to a > fullsize-dipol(measured at 1.8MHz!) then it would be a hope for all lowfers > with large aereas and tolerant neighborhood :-) >> > > I suppose it would, but we should remember that the comparison was not made > against a full size dipole. It was made against an electrically short > vertical, which would already be many dB down from a full size dipole. > > So far there is still no data anywhere in the world showing an EH antenna or > a CFA actually producing the same field strength as a properly working > quarter wave vertical or a full size dipole... let alone the greater > efficiencies claimed by their inventors. > > 73 > John Davis >