Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16643 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 10:56:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 10:56:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3620 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 10:24:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 10:24:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17x37n-0007sT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:22:31 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17x37n-0007sJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:22:31 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.112]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021003102230.KOTM9450.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:22:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c26abe$62710620$70e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021002093944.00a8c768@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:21:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Whoops 137.31 self-inflicted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: LF: Whoops 137.31 self-inflicted > Dear Alan, LF Group, > > At 01:09 02/10/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > There is something there I have seen for some time > >(months) which looks like a very weak 100Hz RTTY shift signal, but this > >could be a more distant TV or PC, but this is down at the level of the Loran > >sidebands ( which are fairly weak here). > > > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > >alan.melia@btinternet.com > > A while ago, I had a problem with a weak FSK signal around 137.4kHz - it > turned out to be a 3rd order intermod between the "DCF" stations on 138.83 > and 128.93, and DDH47 on 147.3, so: > > 147.3 - 138.83 + 128.93 = 137.4 > > The result was FSK, just about audible, with gaps when the data bursts > occurred on the DCF signals. The problem was due to the rather wide 1st IF > filter in the RA1792 (about 20kHz), in combination with a fairly wide-band > antenna - when tuned to 137.4kHz, all 3 signals reach the early IF stages > and 2nd mixer with little attenuation, resulting in the intermodulation, > allthough they are removed by the main IF filters. The solution was to add > preselection with a BW of a few kHz - if the antenna is sharply resonant, > this is enough to do the trick. If you are using an antenna that has > relatively low Q, there are several possibilities for this type of > intermodulation to appear. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU Hi Jim and all The signal here on 137.3 khz is not coming from my computers. It is there when they are switched off. It could be coming I suppose from another some distance away but its there all the time, and never seems to go off. This is a recent thing, it is strong but not a real problem with what appears to be a 6 hz shift transmitting revs(equal mark/space) 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > >