Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11382 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3606 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ7-0002ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ7-0002bQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.119]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921143228.YBSC15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c2616a$27bb2900$77e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010101c25d97$82b77060$4c31f7c2@a7j7r2> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:26:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ > I have looked at the NoV and other documentation received from the RA. It > seems to be silent regarding any crossband working with amateurs in the > normal amateur bands. On the other hand, paragraph (b) of the Operating > Guidelines on the RSGB web site states that crossband operation involving > the 5 MHz spot frequencies is only permitted between those holding current 5 > MHz NoVs. > > As far as transatlantic working is concerned, the Operating Guidelines on > the RSGB web site refer to channel FA (effectively 5258.5 kHz USB) as being > used for this purpose between 0000 and 0900 UTC but the 'clockface' document > shows international tests as taking place between 0100 and 0400 UTC on > channel FC. > > Let us see what Mal comes up with. I have received a lot of replies, mostly private emails about the above subject, because those concerned do not want to swamp the LF reflector about 5 mhz observations and neither do I. I only mentioned 5 mhz in the first place here because of the LF operator connection, several LF operators have appeared on the 5 mhz band. The response is mixed and confused as usual. The majority interpret the 5 mhz nov as permitting xband acty and using the frequencies in the normal established amateur way, plus working any military stns that would call on the permitted frequencies, and experiment with propagation to compare 5, 7 and 3.5 mhz. A minority disagree with the above criteria and some go as far as saying that it is illegal and contravenes the wireless telegraphy act to communicate with a non NOV holder on another band, ie a EU station listening and reporting on another amateur band and even listening to radio amateurs on the 5 mhz band is prohibited. I expect this means any reports from anyone via xband, email or mail could be a crime. The rules for this new band seem very tricky and need serious consideration before one begins to dabble. I wonder if this applies to 73 and 136 khz, are we permitted to work non NOV holders xband and receive reports, and how about the 4 metre band. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > 73 > John Rabson G3PAI > > > >