Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14464 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 10:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 May 2001 10:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11712 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 10:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 15 May 2001 10:36:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14zbeb-0004cd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:02:09 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14zbeX-0004cY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:02:06 +0100 Received: from [213.1.82.98] (helo=default) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14zbe0-0000dM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c0dd25$7517db00$625201d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Sun spots and Terman Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:56:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, this is a interesting problem...is LF going to get better, or worse, as we go down into the next solar minimum ?? The problem with Terman's graphs are that they are 'averages' and looked at in light of the greater detail in some of the pre-war papers on LF propagation they only tell part of the story. Also they are aimed at determining useful service area for broadcast stations and reliable point to point comms. Amateur communication does not exist on 'averages' but generally survives on peaks and rarer events. It seems true that the peak strengths of signals are higher in disturbed conditions but the dips are also lower, and there are prolonged periods of severe absorption. It is not clear what his averages refer to, how long the signals are high, and whether there are deep fades as well. I suspect that the 'quiet' sun conditions of a solar minimum will not be as good as conditions when a geomagnetic disturbance is just decaying away. Fortunately the sun continues to produce some geomagnetic events even in quiet years. Quieter periods around the 11-year maximum may well turnout to be the best times for extreme DX on LF. Top band experience is interesting as some of the effects are common, but 160m propagates by the F-layer, whereas, as far as I can be sure, 136 kHz propages by the D-layer and at most the lowest regions of the E-layer. There is a lot to be learned (or re-discovered) over the next 11 years !! I do hope some s/w for watching Loran signals becomes available as this would be a powerful tool for systematic monitoring. Cheer sde Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com