Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA022-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005is-JI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005ij-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFstZ-0006Yf-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8JAAYxFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACESYcSu0OEaIwUgS+CL1ME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="146983627" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 17:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca7373$e4baa170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:21:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Use an aluminium beer keg as the probe mounted a few metres above ground. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Stefan Schäfer wrote: > > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say “the more the > better” talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the can...