X-GM-THRID: 1238239651396210210 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs156084hue; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr2874817bud.1181210962830; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i3si542958nfh.2007.06.07.03.09.18; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HwEmM-00067N-I2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:59:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HwEmM-00067E-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:59:42 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwEmL-0001lg-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:59:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 75790 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2007 09:58:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=WeXw1dXY3Yo4EVzjR3i3aG/ztvHBjIgzGXEutBvMQGEqxx44uvtig2baBHBXyYkpv1hVE8kpM9bEFl2t3VbICk5PFED6yo7ykecbyopVjIBzqiCIWTZx6cpYxkKyWPjJa23bHGUrSCsBfJ9WtwlK5tssmw8t16Gz2l8KedyPQtc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.39.110 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2007 09:58:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XG2l.7AVM1mL1W9ePxFuEImYt9_C.Ky0m7mZtLg.lkwVSPVgONR3xTuByOEZDXC8wONZyBPIkrUR0Hdfaw5ae8Uepf7bznxYRt_1gzycNvys7hvD Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.8.11/837]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:58:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c7a8ea$6b5821a0$6e278351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4666F599.4070302@m0dts.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:58:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz Getting started.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1278 Dear Rob, LF Group, Some years ago my work involved a project to develop a set of tuned loop measuring antennas for the 100kHz - 30MHz range. To save time, we hoped, we used "modamp" ICs similar to yours. Although they eventually gave quite good gain and SNR at LF, the big problem was that they would oscillate relentlessly at about 1GHz if connected directly into the loop antenna circuit. With the use of LF tuning and matching components and a layout suitable for them, there was obviously plenty of opportunity for instability when using amplifiers with gain into the microwave range. The difficulty was not immediately obvious, because the receiver connected to the loop output could not detect the output at 1GHz, and the amplifiers still gave some gain at LF while they were oscillating - but the linearity and noise figure was awful, as you might expect. We solved the problem in the end by adding a pi-section low-pass filter directly at the amplifier inputs, with a cut-off frequency of about 100MHz and surface-mount components to get good attenuation at higher frequencies. This looked a bit incongruous next to all the big transformers and tuning capacitors. As a wideband LF/MF preamp, I have made a lot of use of the circuit in the article on G3YXM's web site http://www.wireless.org.uk/bploop.pdf The low-frequency transistors used give good performance in the LF/MF range, are less likely to be unstable at UHF, and are easy to get. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU