X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs319079hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr1450050ugg.1179933110233; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w40si3238102ugc.2007.05.23.08.11.43; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqsQh-0003TG-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqsQh-0003T7-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsQg-0007wv-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 73170 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 15:07:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mhWpmPnc9XWSHvHe2odCVlStVukHfJYLiCxHQtgkFjFT7xZptEfBs0dmBojf/4tMmdTp2tLskIAZKdhSt9IShp2Y1jXaLV+/6lXOTkB8pH6/JzvHqytbuZGoNTukCnhjs6T4Qb5wwIlorXAqHD7eKCluTpW5ZkDe8cf0wicjy3E= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.2.246 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 15:07:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: laazu_QVM1mg3r8hQRzL2xyRmc4KOIIJJdqumK_zIS1rqi7EPspqhtPy4xmI.i_9lfRdjSR04dvOTcyBqUy0K4c3GgtX3YGaDkD8eiX0asuKL_vJ Message-ID: <000c01c79d4c$0ecf7220$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> <46543EC9.462.1782FC5@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:06:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2662 Hi Dave thanks for those comments, I dont often listen at HF these days so would not know what to expect. I use the NOAA site for Kp which hit 5 this morning on the Boulder estimate. But I use the Dst estimate to judge the electron precipitation into the D-layer. This mimics the continuing absorption well after the Kp has returned to "quiet". It is a kind of measurement of the size of the reservoir of electrons available in the Ring Current in the Van Allen belts, which enter the ionosphere at the sunrise edge. LF conditions at night stay depressed until the reservoir is near exhasted. My guess is the D-layer is normally absorbing at 500k but I wondered if it might switch to "refecting" if the injection was high enough. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sergeant To: Sent: 23 May 2007 13:16 Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation > On 23 May 2007 at 12:56, Alan Melia wrote: > > > Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it > > is likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had > > such an event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be > > interested to know from regular users and listeners whether the signal > > levels are enhanced over your expectations (particularly around the > > middle of the day) or as I suspect are weaker. 500k is different to > > 136k where the current conditions could boost daytime signals > > slightly. I also think night-time signals may be slightly weaker, > > similar to 136k. > > > > Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > > > Guess that explains why the HF bands are so dire this morning.... All > I hear on 500kHz at the moment is noise... > > There is no indication of this event on the DK0WCY magnetometer, it > says 'quiet', 'quiet' though I see the K index has been up at 4. > (http://www.dk0wcy.de/magneto/magnet.htm) > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > http://www.davesergeant.com > >