Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 22:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 16537 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 22:53:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aNnX-0004s7-ND for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:27 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aNnT-0004rv-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-45.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.45] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19aNnS-000BfL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c3466d$e8c96c40$2de086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c34648$df53b320$6c1686d4@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:58:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan > > Is 24in wide 24 ft. long [inside the ridge of my roof } of aluminium foil > tacked to the rafters not better as a top capacity than 100ft of top-wire > down the garden ?. Don't even think about it if you are considering transmitting. The voltages at the top end of a loading coil at LF are very high, even at modest power levels. Several of us have experienced fires or arcing with LF antennas for one reason or another. A loft is a bad place to have a conflagration. A loft or attic loading coil system feeding an external antenna can work fine provided it is well engineered, see the I5TGC antenna system in the LF Handbook. > Either way I am stuck with 24' vertical but my > top-loading coil and feed point and capacity can be inside the attic. > > I thought that at LF, losses through brickwork were so slight that it > wouldn't matter that the vertical was almost touching brickwork at endwall > of house For dry brickwork that is probably true > As a separate matter does anyone know a site that gives figures for > attenuation of sigs from an attic antenna at various frequencies ?? HF/VHF At HF most lofts are fine. I did live in one old house where the slated roof caused considerable attenuation but I don't know where these slates came from. Modern tiles all seem OK. Regards, Peter, G3LDO