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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF, let me add my congrats, specially to Spiros! Unfortunately the bad weather which delays reparation to my LF antenna doesn't allow me to join in the challenge...when the weather improves the season will be probably gone so will try to be ready for next season! At this time the MF TX is almost ready and waiting for an antenna..it is still raining so spend this holiday day refurbishing the LF TX wth some small improvement.. I'm also intrigued for a trial on 9 kHz..but is not clear how is the legal stand here: officially, according the national frequency assignation, frequencies below 9 kHz should be free for short range applications and I should simply notify the communication authority and inform them about what I'm intended to do, but as you probably know, in Italy is not so easy and there is a not written law which states "only officially allowed task are permitted" the general "if not forbidden is free" rule could be a risk unless you like to spend time in the court! Henny, how is by you? Did you get a special authorization? [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.109 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -2.5 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 2.6 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_A7B9C AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_A7B9C X-Scan-Signature: 49da477724dcbe37f1e9a7ff55a3b02e Subject: Re: LF: Beacon to the west Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CE45D1.9C56AAD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a518015d34085 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CE45D1.9C56AAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF, let me add my congrats, specially to Spiros! Unfortunately the bad weather which delays reparation to my LF antenna = doesn't allow me to join in the challenge...when the weather improves = the season will be probably gone so will try to be ready for next = season! At this time the MF TX is almost ready and waiting for an antenna..it is = still raining so spend this holiday day refurbishing the LF TX wth some = small improvement.. I'm also intrigued for a trial on 9 kHz..but is not clear how is the = legal stand here: officially, according the national frequency = assignation, frequencies below 9 kHz should be free for short range = applications and I should simply notify the communication authority and = inform them about what I'm intended to do, but as you probably know, in = Italy is not so easy and there is a not written law which states "only = officially allowed task are permitted" the general "if not forbidden is = free" rule could be a risk unless you like to spend time in the court! Henny, how is by you? Did you get a special authorization? Enjoy MF, LF VLF! 73 Marco, IK1HSS ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 8:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Beacon to the west Well done, congratulations to the four of you! I would absolutely = agree with Stefan that the traces from Joe and Spiros in America are = beyond doubt, and they also perfectly line up with local Eu captures. = Note that Spiros is quite a bit further than us here, and the ground = reflection after his first hop is on land. Thanks Stefan for mentioning mine among the "strong stations", but I = have to say that I am not even hoping to come near that attribute. = Actually in my opinion, the "warming of the ionosphere" by your powerful = and consistent beacon signal is quite valuable for us weak ones:=20 - it's a very useful indication of propagation versus noise level on = the other side. By the thickness of Stefan's dogbones, we know when we = might become barely visible ;-), - it provides a perfect time and frequency frame to which we can = reference lonely bright pixels and partial traces, - it is an incentive for potential remote receivers to run their = spectrograms and grabbers, - and last not least, being shown what can be done is a motivation for = us to learn and improve our modest setups. So let me say thanks to all involved, for keeping this hard but = wonderful band so much alive. Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon to the west John Jay, Joe, Spiros, LF,=20 Jay, John, thanks for capturing our signals from EU. And congrats to DF2JP for beeing received at W1VD, not bad for almost = May! Looks like Joe counts to the strongest LF stns here in DL, apart = from DF6NM and me. About the traces of SV8CS at W1TAG, i find the traces are quite clear. = And i would vote for calling this an official detection of SV8CS in the = US. Distance is 7491 km, = http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DFN42CH&from=3Dkm07js, very = impressing! So my congrats to Spiros!=20 What do others think about this detection? Looks like it was a successful night on LF :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 29.04.2013 13:14, schrieb John Andrews:=20 Spiros,=20 I received an interesting signal last night. If you compare the = screen shots at G4WGT:=20 http://www.w1tag.com/files/G4WGT-SV8CS.jpg=20 to the screen shot at WTAG:=20 http://www.w1tag.com/files/W1TAG-SV8CS.jpg=20 you will note a correlation in frequency and in part of the "8" and = part of the "C" in your callsign.=20 This does NOT prove reception, but suggests that the signal may have = been there. Conditions were fairly quiet here last night, and the Dst = has recovered to reasonable levels.=20 John, W1TAG=20 FN42ch=20 On 4/29/2013 1:15 AM, SV8CS- Spiros Chimarios wrote:=20 My signal captured by G4WGT grabber (QRB 2512Km).=20 73, Spiros=20 SV8CS=20 No virus found in this incoming message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5778 - Release Date: = 04/27/13 18:36:00=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CE45D1.9C56AAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,
 
let me add my congrats, specially to=20 Spiros!
Unfortunately the bad weather which = delays=20 reparation to my LF antenna doesn't allow me to join in the = challenge...when the=20 weather improves the season will be probably gone so will try to be = ready for=20 next season!
At this time the MF TX is almost ready = and waiting=20 for an antenna..it is still raining so spend this holiday day = refurbishing the=20 LF TX wth some small improvement..
I'm also intrigued for a trial on 9 = kHz..but is not=20 clear how is the legal stand here: officially, according the national = frequency=20 assignation, frequencies below 9 kHz should be free for short range = applications=20 and I should simply notify the communication authority and inform them = about=20 what I'm intended to do, but as you probably know, in Italy is not so = easy and=20 there is a not written law which states "only officially allowed task = are=20 permitted" the general "if not forbidden is free" rule could be a risk = unless=20 you like to spend time in the court!
Henny, how is by you? Did you get a = special=20 authorization?
 
Enjoy MF, LF VLF!
 
73 Marco, IK1HSS
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 = 8:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Beacon to the = west

Well done, congratulations to the = four of you! I=20 would absolutely agree with Stefan that the traces from Joe and = Spiros in=20 America are beyond doubt, and they also perfectly line up = with local Eu=20 captures. Note that Spiros is = quite a bit=20 further than us here, and the ground reflection after his first hop is = on=20 land.
 
Thanks Stefan = for mentioning mine among=20 the "strong stations", but I have to say that I am not even hoping to = come=20 near that attribute. Actually in my opinion, the "warming of the=20 ionosphere" by your powerful and consistent beacon = signal=20 is quite valuable for us weak ones:
- it's a very useful indication = of=20 propagation versus noise level on the other side. By the = thickness=20 of Stefan's dogbones, we know when we might = become=20 barely visible ;-),
- it provides a perfect time and = frequency frame to which we can reference lonely bright = pixels=20 and partial traces,
- it is an incentive for potential = remote=20 receivers to run their spectrograms and grabbers,
- and last not least, being shown what can be done is a = motivation=20 for us to learn and improve our modest setups.
So let me say = thanks to all=20 involved, for keeping this hard but wonderful band so much = alive.
 
Best 73, =
Markus = (DF6NM)
 
From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Beacon to the west

John Jay, Joe, Spiros, LF,

Jay, John, thanks = for=20 capturing our signals from EU.

And congrats to DF2JP for beeing = received at W1VD, not bad for almost May! Looks like Joe counts to the = strongest LF stns here in DL, apart from DF6NM and me.

About = the traces=20 of SV8CS at W1TAG, i find the traces are quite clear. And i would vote = for=20 calling this an official detection of SV8CS in the US. Distance is = 7491=20 km, htt= p://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DFN42CH&from=3Dkm07js,=20 very impressing!
So my congrats to Spiros!
What do others think = about=20 this detection?

Looks like it was a successful night on LF=20 :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC



Am 29.04.2013 13:14, = schrieb John=20 Andrews:=20
Spiros,=20

I received an interesting signal last night. If you compare = the=20 screen shots at G4WGT:

http://www.w1tag.com/= files/G4WGT-SV8CS.jpg=20

to the screen shot at WTAG:

http://www.w1tag.com/= files/W1TAG-SV8CS.jpg=20

you will note a correlation in frequency and in part of the = "8" and=20 part of the "C" in your callsign.

This does NOT prove = reception, but=20 suggests that the signal may have been there. Conditions were fairly = quiet=20 here last night, and the Dst has recovered to reasonable levels.=20

John, W1TAG
FN42ch

On 4/29/2013 1:15 AM, SV8CS- = Spiros=20 Chimarios wrote:

My signal captured by G4WGT grabber = (QRB=20 2512Km).
73, Spiros
SV8CS




No virus = found in=20 this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20
Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5778 - Release = Date:=20 04/27/13 18:36:00 =

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