Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.23]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI024-eabd4cb64a87a9; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:10:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E746F3800009D; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P6BMv-0005Ug-VT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:08:25 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P6BMv-0005UX-Ds for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:08:25 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P6BMt-0007cE-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:08:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUFAIPmtUxcHY5m/2dsb2JhbACBRJ9bcb14hUgEgVuLfw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.57,327,1283727600"; d="scan'208,217";a="308199934" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.29.142.102]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Oct 2010 01:08:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01cb6b33$e8580da0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000c01cb6abb$719bb6d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001a01cb6acd$586783d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CB5D2FE.50808@telus.net> <003a01cb6aef$0fe6e7f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CB606E4.4000604@telus.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Ground proximity antennas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB6B3C.49ECB310" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60174cb64a8540cf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB6B3C.49ECB310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its very quiet on VLF at present. Have they all gone UNDERGROUND ????? g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Tilley=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Ground proximity antennas No, I referred to your 'idea' of experimenting with high frequency= audio as 'crackpot', not VLF radio...=20 Actually, I've been highly supportive of Stefan's work and communica= te with him regularly. Unlike yourself, I have committed to setting up= a 8970Hz RX system that can actually hear using the appropriate moder= n techniques. Testing of it yesterday proved successful. Now to move= the test transmitter into the far field to see how it works with a mu= ch weaker radiated signal... Watch for a 8970 grabber in VE7 soon. = =20 As I type this, I'm working on designing and perhaps beginning to in= stall this afternoon a ground loop RX antenna (about 700m long)... Nightly I've been logging JXN (16.4KHz) and DHO38 (23.4KHz) and all= the Alphas on VLF even thou LF propagation to EU has been disrupted.= This gives me some encouragement that it may be worth dreaming about= ... Actually now the Alphas are still nicely audible in my wideband= 'listening' RX. So did you get a card from the toaster? What DXCC is that? On 10/13/2010 3:55 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20 A couple of weeks ago you referred to the 9 kcs band as a CrackPot= band, hardly encouraging for those dedicated to having fun dreaming= on that frequency g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Tilley=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Ground proximity antennas Didn't you miss Stefan's last 8970 signal and log the neighbour'= s toaster instead? On 10/13/2010 11:54 AM, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Beverages are not efficient on RX either but have directional= advantages. I have never missed any DX signals by not having one. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: LF: RE: Ground proximity antennas Beverage antenna (also) for transmitting : http://nrcdxas.or= g/articles/Beverage0183.pdf 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] namens mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Verzonden: woensdag 13 oktober 2010 11:46 Aan: rsgb Onderwerp: LF: Ground proximity antennas Antennas described on here recently on or near the ground ar= e only variations of Beverage antennas and inefficient for Transmittin= g but useful for Receiving under certain circumstances G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CB6B3C.49ECB310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its very quiet on VLF at present. Hav= e they all=20 gone UNDERGROUND ?????
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sco= tt Tilley=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 13,= 2010 8:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Grou= nd proximity=20 antennas

No, I referred to your 'idea' of experimenting with= high=20 frequency audio as 'crackpot', not VLF radio...

Actually, I'= ve been=20 highly supportive of Stefan's work and communicate with him regularl= y. Unlike=20 yourself, I have committed to setting up a 8970Hz RX system that can= actually=20 hear using the appropriate modern techniques.  Testing of it ye= sterday=20 proved successful.  Now to move the test transmitter into the= far field=20 to see how it works with a much weaker radiated signal...  Watc= h for a=20 8970 grabber in VE7 soon. 

As I type this, I'm working= on=20 designing and perhaps beginning to install this afternoon a ground= loop RX=20 antenna (about 700m long)...

Nightly I've been logging JXN (1= 6.4KHz)=20 and DHO38 (23.4KHz) and all the Alphas on VLF even thou LF propagati= on to EU=20 has been disrupted.  This gives me some encouragement that it= may be=20 worth dreaming about...  Actually now the Alphas are still nice= ly audible=20 in my wideband 'listening' RX.

So did you get a card from the= =20 toaster?  What DXCC is that?






On 10/1= 3/2010=20 3:55 PM, mal hamilton wrote:=20
A couple of weeks ago you referre= d to the 9 kcs=20 band as a CrackPot band, hardly encouraging for those dedicated to= having=20 fun dreaming on that frequency
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott Tilley
Sent: Wednesday, October= 13, 2010=20 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE:= Ground=20 proximity antennas

Didn't you miss Stefan's last 8970 signal and log= the=20 neighbour's toaster instead?



On 10/13/2010 11:54= AM, mal=20 hamilton wrote:=20
Beverages are not efficient= on RX either=20 but have directional advantages. I have never missed any DX si= gnals by=20 not having one.
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----=
Sent: Wednesday, Octo= ber 13, 2010=20 11:05 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Grou= nd proximity=20 antennas

Beverage antenna (also) for transmitting : http://nrcdxas.org/articles/Beverage0183.p= df
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T=
 
 
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens=20 mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Verzonden:=20 woensdag 13 oktober 2010 11:46
Aan:=20 rsgb
Onderwerp: LF: Ground proximity=20 antennas

Antennas described on here= recently on or=20 near the ground are only variations of Beverage antennas and= =20 inefficient for Transmitting but useful for Receiving under= certain=20 circumstances
G3KEV
 
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