Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10561 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 23:37:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 23:37:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 23934 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Apr 2003 23:37:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 23:37:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 195Zyf-0002P1-4b for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:36:37 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 195Zya-0002Os-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:36:32 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-82.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.82] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 195ZyY-0001h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:36:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c303a8$9a95bf40$07c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c30389$be512e20$97d2fc3e@ian> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:41:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: The Mystery - continued. Part the second. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ian >That experiment confirms that WHATEVER configuration of > other earths is used, the system prefers to have the coil earthed back along > the screen of the coax and then by any tortuous route you care to use > through the shack to the mains and the station earth. Any attempt to go > direct to the special point so thoughtfully provided by a caring owner and > it goes into conniptions. I have found RF earthing or grounding to be a bit of a black art - particularly from a suburban location. I have three earthing systems Three 10ft long 2 inch diameter copper poles sunk into the ground using the Crawley radio club special hole borer. Wire netting covering all the lawn some distance around the antenna feedpoint. I have a special deal with the earthworms - they helped bury the wire netting in the spring/summer months and I keep them warm in the winter with LF transmissions. A mass of thick copper wire around the base of the mast. This was included when the mast was built (long before LF) as part of the lightning protection system. Unlike Ian's system I find that I get increases in current as each of the earthing systems is added to the bottom of the coil. It wasn't always so. When I used the BK amp originally I used a tapped loading coil arangement and got some strange effects. Things got better when I started using a multi-tapped torroid transformer, which isolated the BK amp from the antenna system. This transformer was located at the base of the coil and fed at 4ohms from the amp using heavy duty electrical cable. The BK amplifier is prone to instability when experimenting with different loads. This is caused by the high gain of the amplifier (the negative feedback might also become positive feedback with some loads) and could be fixed by putting some heavy resistive loading at the input of the amplifier. The Decca transmitter has a power combiner transformer, which also provides some isolation. I now use a multi tapped torroid auto transformer at the base of the coil to match the transmitter to the antenna. I think the use of elevated radials as mentioned by Mal and Alex is a non starter for the reasons mentioned by Ian. The other reason is space, or the lack of it. The exception I found was at Amberley museum where the ground is mostly chalk but there is plenty of space. I used an elevated radial system of a couple of long wires whose height above the ground was determined by available trees and bushes. I tried loading the radials. Again strange effects. The radial and antenna coils had to be adjusted so that the floating matching and resonating controls were at a reasonable low RF potential or you could get zapped. Appendix 1 of the LF experimenters book illustrates the amount of effort that went into LF Earthing systems and that underground systems were favoured for most commercial stations for reasons stated Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web .