Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8076 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2004 18:29:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2004 18:29:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Chu8X-000ERg-HA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:26:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Chu8X-000ERd-EZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:26:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ChuBd-0007hc-Un for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:29:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ChuAi-0001cp-DP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ChuAi-0001cg-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:16 +0000 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ChuAa-0006CF-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:16 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.69) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C75BBC00052C23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c4e9bb$94d59d00$45e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4e9a8$996d9650$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:49:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.68,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx Dear Mal, LF Group, I mean a deliberately introduced gap as used to provide a higher energy storage capability in a line output transformer. The gap is usually of the order of 0.5 - 1mm, produced either by having plastic film spacers between the core haves, or by machining the legs of the core to unequal lengths. If you want to use the core for a straightforward transformer, the air gap is not wanted - no problem to remove the spacers, but difficult when the core has been machined. Provided the mating surfaces of the core halves fit together accurately when they are clamped, the core will behave like a solid lump of ferrite, but quite a small fraction of a mm gap will change the inductance radically, since the permeability of the gap is much lower than that of the ferrite. Usually, the mating surfaces of the ferrite are accurately ground flat by the manufacturers to ensure a good fit. Tnx Jim for the clarification. My type has nice flat machined surfaces that fit nicely together when the plastic spacer is removed. Both halves of the core are symetrical and some are marked 3c8. I tried one of these in the G3YXM design with the same number of turns as he specified for his type of core and did not notice any difference in matching or output etc. The advantage being that they cost me NOTHING hi. They came out of the older all tube type TV'S of yesteryears hi. I have held on to them for years and now find them useful. 73 and Merry Xmas and HNY to you and all the LF fraternity including the silent LISTENERS IN and those sitting on the FENCE. Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/England Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU Hi All I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and used the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was lucky. What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered a gap? Must the core be totally continuous? de Mal/G3KEV