Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.32]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-861c4d526275206; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 04:46:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A08E5380001B0; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 04:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Pn6bJ-0007Rp-G8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:44:41 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Pn6bI-0007Rg-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:44:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pn6bF-0005un-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 09:44:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwBAGPxUU1cEYh+/2dsb2JhbACCSpA5A4NijlxzvGSFWwSBYo1Xgm4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,446,1291593600"; d="scan'208,217";a="479445857" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.17.136.126]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Feb 2011 09:44:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000901cbc83d$efe3b8f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001801cbc795$fb507640$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><198556EF-DE6A-4F7D-AC2D-CFDB87F3CA2F@gmail.com><003c01cbc7c7$6e8f1040$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:44:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CBC83D.EF976DB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41204d5262732b22 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CBC83D.EF976DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger I would never say Never but for now I will stick with my plan.=20 de G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO Thanks Mal. Actually I think if you got an NoV and became active on 8-9kHz it wo= uld be a real stimulus to others too and you'd enjoy the challenge. Al= though I know you don't much like beaconing and prefer real QSOs (I ca= n understand this) providing a good strong and stable G3KEV signal on= the band would be very useful indeed to others.=20 You've already proved that your receiving system is good and it does= n't require too much more from people like G3XIZ and G4WGT (further no= rth) for a slowish DFCW or QRSS QSO to be on the cards later this year= . So, some inter-G Dreamer's Band radiated QSOs are not that remote a= possibility. Internationally there are 3-4 stations lining up to work= you.=20 You've done so much already on the LF bands and this would be a real= opportunity for you to contribute and win some new records. Actually= I think you've been quite surprised by what has proved possible on th= is band and wouldn't mind giving it a go really, HI. If it helps with= preparing yours, I'm happy to send you a copy of my own 9kHz NoV subm= ission to OFCOM and I'm sure that others would too. Finally, have you thought about setting up a grabber for VLF, if onl= y to be used during specific tests? Using Dropbox (thanks to John GM4S= LV for this suggestion) and Spectrum Lab or Spectran it is extremely= easy to set up. Although I'm no expert, I'm happy to share how I did= it, if it helps. Judging by the results at the weekend, a grabber at= your QTH would be very useful. All the best 73s Roger G3XBM=20 On 8 February 2011 19:36, mal hamilton wrote= : Tnx Roger for the Met office details. I will approach the 9 Khz slowly and in two stages. Stage 1 When I have worked all of the UK stations that are active on 137= Khz on either CW or QRS3, most of whom I have not yet heard in spite= of the fact I am working all around EU and Russia daily. Stage 2 When I am able to hear/see the UK stations with NOV'S active on 9= Khz, none detected so far, although I am able to copy DK7FC and OE5OD= L in QRS3 mode. I specify the above criteria because it would be counter productiv= e for me to embark on a project where there would be noone to communic= ate with. I think UK amateurs would need to think in terms of Kilowatts and= Amps on the lower frequencies like they do in EU and the USA. otherwise VLF/LF/MF will turn out to be a DAMP SQUIB. 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO Hi Mal The only requirement is to inform the Met Office when you'll be= on-air - they always say OK - (they do this so they can check if they= 've had interference to their sensitive monitoring gear) and to submit= logs. You would be a most valuable member of the Dreamers and I urge= you to submit an NoV application. Looking forward to receiving your= big signals soon. All the best Roger G3XBM Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g) On 8 Feb 2011, at 13:42, "mal hamilton" = wrote: Stefan es Ossi when you are ready for a QSO let me know. From recent observations on both signals I am satisfied that= I can receive both at a satisfactory level for a QSO at between QRS= 3 and QRS 30 depending on condx at the actual time. I will reply xban= d on either 137.7 Khz or 502.6 Khz if you can receive satisfactory on= those frequencies. I do not have a permit for TX on 9 Khz and then I= think one can only TX at a time convenient to the UK Met office. Pse advise when you are QRV 73 De Mal/g3kev --=20 g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ www.g3xbm.co.uk www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CBC83D.EF976DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
I would never say Never but for now I will sti= ck with my=20 plan.
de G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 08,= 2011 8:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF QSO

Thanks Mal.

Actually I think if you got an NoV= and=20 became active on 8-9kHz it would be a real stimulus to others too an= d you'd=20 enjoy the challenge. Although I know you don't much like beaconing= and prefer=20 real QSOs (I can understand this) providing a good strong and stable= G3KEV=20 signal on the band would be very useful indeed to others.

Yo= u've=20 already proved that your receiving system is good and it doesn't req= uire too=20 much more from people like G3XIZ and G4WGT (further north) for a slo= wish DFCW=20 or QRSS QSO to be on the cards later this year. So, some inter-G Dre= amer's=20 Band radiated QSOs are not that remote a possibility. Internationall= y there=20 are 3-4 stations lining up to work you.

You've done so much= already on=20 the LF bands and this would be a real opportunity for you to contrib= ute and=20 win some new records. Actually I think you've been quite surprised= by what has=20 proved possible on this band and wouldn't mind giving it a go really= ,=20 HI.  If it helps with preparing yours, I'm happy to send you a= copy of my=20 own 9kHz NoV submission to OFCOM and I'm sure that others would=20 too.

Finally, have you thought about setting up a grabber for= VLF, if=20 only to be used during specific tests? Using Dropbox (thanks to John GM4SLV for this=20 suggestion) and Spectrum Lab or Spectran it is extremely easy to set= up.=20 Although I'm no expert, I'm happy to share how I did it, if it helps= . Judging=20 by the results at the weekend, a grabber at your QTH would be very= =20 useful.

All the best

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 8 February 2011 19:36, mal hamilton <g3kev= mal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
Tnx Roger for the Met office details.
I will approach the 9 Khz slowly and in tw= o=20 stages.
Stage 1
When I have worked all of the UK stations= that are=20 active on 137 Khz on either CW or QRS3, most of whom I have not ye= t heard in=20 spite of the fact I am working all around EU and Russia= =20 daily.
 
 
Stage 2
When I am able to hear/see the UK stations= with NOV'S=20 active on 9 Khz, none detected so far, although I am able to copy= DK7FC and=20 OE5ODL in QRS3 mode.
 
I specify the above criteria because = it would be=20 counter productive for me to embark on a project where t= here would=20 be noone to communicate with.
I think UK amateurs would need to thi= nk in terms=20 of Kilowatts and Amps on the lower frequencies like they do in=20 EU and the USA.
otherwise VLF/LF/MF will turn ou= t to be a=20 DAMP SQUIB.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roger Lapthorn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, February= 08, 2011 4:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: VLF/LF= QSO

Hi Mal

The only requirement is to inform the Met Office when you'l= l be=20 on-air - they always say OK - (they do this so they can check if= they've=20 had interference to their sensitive monitoring gear) and to subm= it logs.=20 You would be a most valuable member of the Dreamers and I urge= you to=20 submit an NoV application. Looking forward to receiving your big= signals=20 soon.

All the best
Roger G3XBM

Via my 2.4GHz handheld (iPod Touch 4g)

On 8 Feb 2011, at 13:42, "mal hamilton" <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net> wrote:

Stefan es Ossi when you are ready for= a QSO let me=20 know.
 From recent observations on both= signals I=20 am satisfied that I can receive both at a satisfactory level= for a QSO=20 at between QRS 3 and QRS 30 depending on condx at the actual= time. I=20 will reply xband on either 137.7 Khz or 502.6 Khz if you can= receive=20 satisfactory on those frequencies. I do not have a permit for= TX on 9=20 Khz and then I think one can only TX at a time convenient to= the UK Met=20 office.
 
Pse advise when you are QRV
73 De Mal/g3kev
 



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