Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.133]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84ce5703435; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:28:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4DC56380000BB; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ9Ay-0001pY-VQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:25:40 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PJ9Ay-0001pN-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:25:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PJ9Aw-00088t-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:25:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsADAA/+5ExcB92z/2dsb2JhbACBeo5kA4MzDo4xcr87hUsEgVyOeQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,218,1288569600"; d="scan'208,217";a="457488759" Received: from host-92-7-221-179.as43234.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.7.221.179]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2010 18:25:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000901cb874d$fadd74c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003101cb85c2$18578690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><001101cb8700$51477b60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4CE519A6.50302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de><393256.83429.qm@web111919.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:25:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CB874D.FA9F5A50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854ce5702b2f21 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CB874D.FA9F5A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Has he started yet? g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Stefan, LF, For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I will give it my best atten= tion & effort. 73, Gary - G4WGT. On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani wrote: Stefan, "Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that band or= reception at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect combi= nation of nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)" I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF very= much for the same reasons :-) Regards D. ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ From: Stefan Sch=E4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 1:18:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: EX LF Hi Gary, Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb Gary - G4WGT: > Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for 9kHz but I= won't be trying to fly a kite anyway But my signal was detected in UK by Paul Nicholson and M0BMU as i= used a 100m kite in March, 15th. My TX power was about 250 W and the= mode DFCW-600. Well, if someone can built such a coil and have a better earth con= nection (than me in /p) and generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000,= this may be detected here in Germany as well! We have no stress, so= it doesn't matter if it is DFCW-60 or DFCW-6000. A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You know, even wit= h > 500W and a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in CW in 40km= distance. But DFCW-3 would have been possible! The challenge on VLF is just higher and the limits harder. Anyway= it is a great feeling to make some distance. On 20m you can buy a TRX= , throw some wire out in the garden and work VK in the morning. On LF= you have to install a large antenna, build your own equipment, care= about the losses and use slow modes. The limits may be 1000km, depend= ing on the station. But a 1000km QSO is a much better feeling than on= 20m, isn't it? And not only the distance is an issue but also all the= surrounding communication and process (like beeing in the field or in= the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort is always worth. On VLF, a 100k= m reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission out of 180 km distance, las= t sunday) is even much more special and exciting. Each (personal, not= relative to others!) record on that band or reception at all is a gre= at feeling and tastes like the perfect combination of nostalgic radio= and modern reception technics :-) Dreaming! :-) 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CB874D.FA9F5A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary
Has he started yet?
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 18,= 2010 1:59=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EX LF

Stefan, LF,

For the reasons you have stated Stefan, I will give it my best= attention=20 & effort.

73,

Gary - G4WGT.


On 18 November 2010 12:41, Daniele Tincani= <danieletincani@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
Stefan,

"Each (personal, not relative to others!) record on that= band or=20 reception at all is a great feeling and tastes like the perfect co= mbination=20 of nostalgic radio and modern reception technics :-)"
 
I fully agree. Even as a simple listener, I like LF and VLF= very much=20 for the same reasons :-)
 
Regards
D.

From: Stefan Sch= =E4fer <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>= ;

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010= 1:18:46 PM

Subject:<= /SPAN> Re:=20 LF: EX LF

Hi Gary,

Am 18.11.2010 12:13, schrieb= Gary -=20 G4WGT:
> Got to agree that the uk limit is not good news for= 9kHz but=20 I won't be trying to fly a kite anyway

But my signal was de= tected in=20 UK by Paul Nicholson and M0BMU as i used a 100m kite in March, 15t= h. My TX=20 power was about 250 W and the mode DFCW-600.

Well, if someo= ne can=20 built such a coil and have a better earth connection (than me in= /p) and=20 generates a stable carrier in DFCW-6000, this may be detected here= in=20 Germany as well! We have no stress, so it doesn't matter if it is= DFCW-60 or=20 DFCW-6000.
A QSO may just be possible with fixed antennas. You= know, even=20 with > 500W and a 200m vertical, my signal was not detected in= CW in 40km=20 distance. But DFCW-3 would have been possible!

The challeng= e on VLF=20 is just higher and the limits harder. Anyway it is a great feeling= to make=20 some distance. On 20m you can buy a TRX, throw some wire out in th= e garden=20 and work VK in the morning. On LF you have to install a large ante= nna, build=20 your own equipment, care about the losses and use slow modes. The= limits may=20 be 1000km, depending on the station. But a 1000km QSO is a much be= tter=20 feeling than on 20m, isn't it? And not only the distance is an iss= ue but=20 also all the surrounding communication and process (like beeing in= the field=20 or in the forest/nature!). Thus, the effort is always worth. On VL= F, a 100km=20 reception (e.g. DF6NMs kite transmission out of 180 km distance,= last=20 sunday) is even much more special and exciting. Each (personal, no= t relative=20 to others!) record on that band or reception at all is a great fee= ling and=20 tastes like the perfect combination of nostalgic radio and modern= reception=20 technics :-) Dreaming! :-)

73,=20 Stefan



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