X-GM-THRID: 1241081438804110844 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.10 with SMTP id u10cs508147hue; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr4900169huc.1183665896277; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si430665nfh.2007.07.05.13.04.52; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1I6XVI-0004As-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1I6XVH-0004Aj-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:39 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I6XVE-0003zi-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 71568 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2007 20:00:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=msl7P3EvDyhXYjPj7cjoY22rn6j1XXHjVVTDUuuffToJ1TMJThYpyFi4e6PAneMZfEg3co54HzGJhUMJkLl9293jXASn/lDVwUgJaFsTfhykTvXmxZzqYHk20GZf9Oo2xvHxQVW48SQMbfdUhfIwfxPLwENGXdE8dPMB52j5V44= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.48.34 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2007 20:00:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KvF3VIQVM1n87n4GyBLlMTjuOWlaICU2ud9JvVsYkBiY8eexYc4wcaq1UU8l1ioEh7YGvyGBa07iechuq0xhnr5uXUW0n3VasvqKC7mUFNeFvRIldbhgTIcoCM1mOPnXUuc- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.476 [269.9.14/884]); Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:00:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c7bf3f$1ab71740$22307ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <468CBA6B.31094.AD8C67@dave.davesergeant.com> <001e01c7bf27$3ee3e160$3a248351@w4o8m9> <000c01c7bf2f$2da47830$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:00:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 - beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7171 Dear Roelof, LF Group, Thanks for sending the link - someone has been busy! I did some Navtex monitoring myself a while back - I used some decoder software called SeaTTY which logs all the messages, so you don't have to watch the screen all night. During winter nights, it was fairly common to see signals from quite distant stations - eastern USA and Canada, the middle east, places like Astrakhan and Archangel to the east, so it shows propagation does exist. The difficulty with using Navtex as a propagation indicator is that the time slots are each used by a number of stations, so more local signals are likely to block out the DX ones. You need a bit of luck, such as the DX Navtex broadcasting a long series of messages while the local Navtex only transmits a short series, in order to copy the DX signal. So there are other factors as well as propagation that determine if a particular Navtex signal can be received. I guess the same applies to some extent to NDBs, but it looks like there is a good selection in an eastern direction that could be quite interesting. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: 500 - beacons > Dear James, LF group, > > You wrote: >> We don't know much about propagation on 500kHz yet << > > For a start you might have a look at the following website: > > http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/index.php >