Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:14:56 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzN1D-0001yb-9p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:14:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzN1D-0001yS-5G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:14:55 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzMzq-0007Hi-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:13:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzMzp-0007HZ-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:13:29 +0100 Received: from ns1.switchnet.com ([209.59.197.26] helo=server.switchnet.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzNCW-0003nH-0N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:26:39 +0100 Received: from [207.190.154.146] (helo=w2ksn) by server.switchnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DzMyJ-0004P3-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:11:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c59625$856dd050$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> <000e01c59564$475750a0$9a952ed8@server> <005f01c5961f$4d0a4b40$c9b78351@Main> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:13:53 -0700 Organization: SC Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.switchnet.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: Suitable ground? Measure it !! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alan and all, > However in practice > the capacity of the antenna continues to increase at about 5 to 6 pF per > metre. This turns out to have two useful effects. First is reduces the size > of the loading coil required to resonate the antenna, and hence reduces > tuning losses. Secondly it reduces the current density flowing into the > ground. Measurements show, and they are supported by some theory from Alex, > that if you double the antenna capacity you half the ground loss. Since ERP > is current squared, halving the ground loss doubles the antenna current, > giving a four-fold, 6dB, more ERP ( a cheap "amplifier"). IMHO that is misleading. If you halve the ground loss (and also halve the loading coil loss resistance), you could have twice the antenna current, only if the transmitter can deliver it at the original feedpoint voltage. But most of us have PAs with limited output power, and would need to adjust the matching transformer for the new impedance (reduce turns ratio by sqrt(2)). So, we would "only" gain 3 dB more ERP from the improved antenna. 73, Stewart KK7KA