Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23211 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 6 May 2001 23:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 26553 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 6 May 2001 23:10:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14wXaf-0006Id-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2001 00:05:25 +0100 Received: from mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14wXad-0006IY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2001 00:05:24 +0100 Received: from rvernall ([202.27.178.119]) by mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010506230423.WAXF1606670.mta6-rme.xtra.co.nz@rvernall> for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:04:23 +1200 Message-ID: <000901c0d680$d2ed5120$77b21bca@rvernall> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3AF5BC00.EEF6A5E@alg.demon.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Measurement of antenna current Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:02:49 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve, I have some comments as to "where does the current go"? Comments are below: > Today, I made some more antenna current measurements on my 12 m > vertical (and my shiny new loading coil), using a thermocouple > meter. > > At resonance, the current into the base of the loading coil, was > 2.2 A. But when measuring the current into the antenna at the > hot end of the coil, the meter only indicated 1.8 A. I had > expected the reading to be the same at both ends of the coil. > > The loading coil has many more turns than is required to resonate > the 12 m vertical, so the connection to the antenna uses a tap > which is several turns down from the top of the coil. I've been > thinking that the excess turns at the top of the coil may be > causing the difference in current readings. (This may sound > silly, but in my mind's eye, I can sort of picture some of the > current in the coil going into the capacitance of the antenna; > and some current going into the capacitance of the unused turns.) > > Before I try removing the excess turns, I'd like to know whether > the current should indeed be the same at both ends of the loading > coil. Can anyone help? Self-capacitance between turns (each one to all others) involves a myriad of situations that has an equivalent net capacitance. Also there is a myriad of capacitance situations to "ground" potential. It is not possible to have a loading coil with no self or stray capacitance. I agree with the comment from Andy that it is undesirable to have "unused turns" at the "hot" end of the loading coil. It is generally bad practice to have any uneccesary capacitance to ground in the vertical "up wire", which is why commercial LF NDB antennas with multiple wire top loading taper to a single feedpoint, using bare wire (no dielectric coating that needlessly adds to self capacitance). The current meter reading at the "cold" side of the loading coil can be regarded as supplying current for antenna radiation as well as for parasitic losses in the loading coil. I am assuming that these currents are in the form of quadrature components (the antenna has significant far field radiation, the loading coil does not). To reconcile your readings of the "cold end" ammeter reading showing a vector resultant of 2.2 A, and a single current of 1.8 A going up the wire from the "hot end", doing a vector calculation shows that the current components that satisfy your observed meter readings are 1.8 +j1.26 amps for the resultant "cold end" current of 2.2 amps. The calculation of the quadrature (j) current is fairly sensitive to error in ammeter readings, but even with the figures advised, and if the explanation is reasonable, the current needed to furnish the self and stray capacitance in a loading coil is rather more than I had ever imagined before doing the sums. However, it is substantially "reactive current" so it is not a big factor in the overall loss budget of the antenna. Further investigation of the situation could be done with a dual channel oscilloscope, low capacitance probes, and a low level signal generator (so as to not fry a scope probe) to observe any phase difference between voltages at the "cold" and "hot" ends of the loading coil for a known tuned antenna. However, the source impedance also has an influence (practical transmitters present much lower impedances than 50 ohm test equipment) on the relative phasing of loading coil currents and voltages so it is preferable to test with a step down transformer to say 5 ohms if a 50 ohm signal generator is used.. This radio stuff is fascinating as to the ways in which RF currents can disappear into thin air :o) 73, Bob ZL2CA