X-GM-THRID: 1242590078573550665 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs536288hue; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.10.12 with SMTP id n12mr2743737ugi.1185026243961; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si4269418nfh.2007.07.21.06.57.20; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 06:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ICFOl-0005SW-H9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:53:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ICFOk-0005SN-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:53:30 +0100 Received: from smtpout0173.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.173] helo=n064.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ICFOj-0006Yg-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:53:30 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.42) by n064.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 466CB1C80030F15C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:53:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c7cb9e$7f056600$2ae4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <20070721094356.714734a4@lurcher.twatt.local><001b01c7cb79$6fa823c0$6eccfc3e@g3kev> <20070721104717.6307d729@lurcher.twatt.local> <005d01c7cb83$aa54ffc0$51358351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:52:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 503.40 CW CQ from Shetland Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 997 Jim. I am surprised that u did not see GM4SLV who was solid on 503.4 khz qrs3 beacon this morning, also audible 549 cw but rapid qsb taking dives into the noise. The qsb was not evident in qrs3 mode. I tried both my loops ie 190m perimiter wire loop, and 1m diam active loop and was able to copy signals on both. The small loop posn N/S gave solid copy and prob better sig/noise, the large loop although E/W gave me a stronger signal with slightly more noise but the noise was not significent. On TX I use the 1/4 wave inv L at 100 ft vertical and rest horizontal. I did not try the vert on RX on the GM signal but it usually works well, the signal could have been even stronger. The sea path between us helps, and its the same with BHZ he is always S9 with me, also BE was S9 last nite on 505.1 khz approx. Propagation condx seem good at present in spite of the hvy qrn at times 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: LF: Re: 503.40 CW CQ from Shetland > Dear John, > > Nil seen this morning - guess will have to wait until darkness. > > I tried putting the numbers into the late G4FGQ's Grndwav3 ground-wave > calculating software. Assuming about 660km G3KEV - GM4SLV, 100mW ERP (=55mW > EMRP)and a sea path the whole way virtually, the received signal level > should be about 0.7uV/m, which might be audible on a quiet band. For inland > stations, the ground wave losses increase a lot, so some sort of ionospheric > propagation probably will be essential for a successful QSO. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > >