X-GM-THRID: 1237503626123321315 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs444954hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.14 with SMTP id s14mr3617209ugm.1180175425446; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si6880666ugf.2007.05.26.03.30.22; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrtSX-0005V1-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrtSX-0005Us-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrtSW-0003AX-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 87912 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 10:25:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mucOkbiNYyh0Cma2aGcOpFibwyHh2+E/6eay/mQLcEg1XkyLfkXcomQVkpSAdCdBXCszAYN7qd8fFzsGFxu0bnOIxxzjgkc4+kJNQ2BG45MOb3a6JIro794hkeXD+uNYds8mUwengb8l3I41ZGTzE3goif2r9JTM5z5L+aFEKY4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.34.196 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 10:25:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4G0MGisVM1noXZPWdqTAZpUDzNjmTKYHWMdB_.kT1NDGAGxi6oJhNtyA9HoSUBHp9bhXUcYYrw-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.8.0/818]); Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c79f80$2a56a460$c4227ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000701c79ef8$58d0b7a0$42e8fc3e@g3kev> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz ERP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1405 Dear Mal, LF Group, > To justify my ERP argument and keep the maths simple, look at examples > below. > > 1. 10W rf output to the antenna and an efficiency of the average antenna 1% > the ERP would be 0.1W erp... The maths is not quite as simple as this - to calculate ERP in this way, the directivity of the antenna compared to the reference 'half-wave dipole in free space' must also be included: ERP = (TX power) x (Antenna Efficiency) x (Directivity) Assuming the antenna is a vertical over a ground plane that is a small fraction of a wavelength long (or a small loop over a ground plane), its directivity can be assumed to be 2.6dB over a dipole, i.e. a factor of 1.8. So the ERP in your example would be 0.18W ERP. It is important to bear this in mind in correspondence with Ofcom! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU