X-GM-THRID: 1232205459924927429 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.115.73.6 with SMTP id a6cs228462wal; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr722028ugj.1175122700469; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si1177692uga.2007.03.28.15.58.17; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HWgzR-0000Io-9q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:51:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HWgzQ-0000If-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:51:36 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HWgzQ-0005qC-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:51:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 4431 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 22:51:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=u7rwopg84vVOeTeZ2IazV5gXxaXWJ9vQ1v1eekAn0VGocOCOSctwHMDzWcN2oomDp8OsPfG2jZpUOi0XAsleGCquI9jMlQjuVAITpK4pTHrfUjpmVt/RipIT1Ok3B9s22p7m2ODCLyRCuv1DyScCnubIK+dPPmXC0duAk0PPt2I= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.59.64 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 22:51:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LMXR75wVM1lp6UkbX6OriTb8LuPiybCdB_AJkZ1fTTfqnwj2QwluXH24e.C_jQTZ_GbqA59q2A-- Message-ID: <000701c7718b$a31f9fa0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:50:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Warning re ERP spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2347 Hi all the Excel spreadsheet for calculating ERP for use at 500kHz (and any other frequency) is fine if used with the values given. Some wished to modify the sheet for very short top-loads compared with my 20m minimum. This can be done but it seems you run into granularity of the lookup table which will always give the lower value for form-factor if the top to height ratio is not exactly on a cell value. This means the sheet underestimates the Rrad slightly for some ratios on very short top loads. Once the top-length is equal to the height the error is very small. I will rework the sheet eventually to cover this problem by fitting an equation to the lookup table. ( N.B. this table was intended for use on Battleships !!) The lastest version ( ERP1.xls) dated 10/3/07 should be correct. I note though that the table gives a 0.639 form factor for an unloaded vertical when I thought this should be 0.5. I will need to check this out further. It came to light as Finbar is experimenting on short verticals with very small top-hats. We hope to write up his findings in due course. His present beacon is on a top-inductively loaded 7m vertical with short capacity wires!! This is an aerial that most should be able to fit into even a small garden. The trick will be whether we can make it efficient with such a small top capacity. Cheers de Alan G3NYK