X-GM-THRID: 1218593100218936113 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1754400489ac2fb0266b854dc60ca2ea5b7dcca0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.127.1 with SMTP id z1cs373483huc; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr2778014ugl; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w40si1873957ugc.2006.10.29.08.55.41; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GeDqg-0002HQ-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:49:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GeDqY-0002HH-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from smtpout0183.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.183] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeDqW-00023F-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.78) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 453402970018122F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:46:56 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c6fb79$d77d3740$4ee4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.896,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.479,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.44,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4229 Hi All Nothing hrd or seen last night on 500. From my previous commercial experience on the band it will be more like 160 metres rather than 136 or 73 khz. Given a level playing field with say 10w erp on any of the above bands reliability would be in the order 73, 136, 500 and 1800 khz. Given the fact that the average radio amateur can only launch a few milliwatts on 73 or 136 it has been possible to cover great distances, especially noticeable on ground wave during daytime. I can work OH1TN about 1000 miles to the NE and IK5ZPV SE about the same distance on 136 khz anytime during daylight with good reports each way typically 579 and only running less than 0.5w erp. This includes summer or winter. I cannot do this on 160 metres using 400 w erp output during daytime. This is where LF has the advantage at this distance and there seems to be no difference between between day and night time. Night time with enhanced propagation via the E layer makes worldwide communications possible on LF with their limited power, although commercial stations on frequencies as low as 15 khz can communicate 24 hrs per day, with lots of erp. On 500 and 1800 khz during the dark hours world wide communications is often possible especially when dawn and dusk coincide between the countries concerned. Ground wave daytime on these two frequencies reliabily only extends to about 200 miles for the average amateur if you are lucky. I am sure others can relate to the above info. Its a pity 73 khz was'nt still available, it was just getting interesting when the plug was pulled. 73 de Mal/G3KEV