Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:10:49 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EMYWH-0004Aj-6g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:10:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EMYWH-0004AT-2O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:10:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EMYVp-00049W-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:10:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EMYVp-00049N-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:10:21 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EMZ6S-0002ue-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:48:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 35323 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 22:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.204.207 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 22:10:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c5c867$3f480b80$cfcc8351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20051003181417.2795.qmail@web25415.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:10:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: Advice (again) please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Brian, congratulations you have discovered Class-E. It is possible to "mis-tune" the aerial so that the correct reactance is reflected back to the PA to satisfy the conditions for Class-E. Finbar EI0CF's early single ended PA ( LF Sourcebook ) stumbled on this and since my initial experiements, I have found a book by Fritz Raab that enumerates several different configurations of "switching" PA, that may be "tuned into Class E" The salient point is the shape of the drain waveform. The "switch" must switch on with no voltage across it, and must switch off with no current flowing through it. These are the conditions equating to minimum efficiency loss. The Nat Sokal QST article cover the conditions for single ended stages. I think Fritz collaborated with Nat at one stage, and I believe a lot of the ideas he produced are used in mobile phone PAs. The condition may not lead to maximum "smoke" for a particular supply voltage, but the PA will run cooler. In a class E stage the output circuit usually finishes up being tuned around 10% low ...I think this means that it offers the PA a slightly inductive load. I have an electronic copy of Nat's QST article if you have not seen it (with the errors in the original article corrected !) I also desined a step-up L-Pi network ( circuit on my web site ) and found I could get the same effect by tuning the output cap of that....that had to be by switcing caps though as I used iron dust toroids for the coils, though the values could be realised with air cored coils allowing a slight adjustment my just offering a ferrite to the end. I think the trick may be to avoid inserting the ferrite too deeply into the coil when losses may escalate. I dont know whether they still have any but Mainline Surplus (web site ) had some ferrite rods about 1inch in diameter and 7 inches long. These had slots moulded in and it was suggested that these were to reduce eddy currents when tuning (RF) dielectric heaters. If so these might be quite good in this service. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian hodgson" To: Sent: 03 October 2005 19:14 Subject: Re: LF: Advice (again) please > Hi Chris - > > I've been dabbling with some PA circuits recently - the usual hard switching, push-pull fets and transformer output follwed by a pi (C-L-C) Lowpass filter. > > One trick I did discover was that by increasing the inductance of the low pass filter (using the tried and tested technique of poking a large ferrite rod inside the coil) from 120 to 185 microhenries the voltage waveform on the drains became a lot smoother - more like class E - and the overall efficiency went up to better than 90% (over 200 watts out for 220 watts input). > > Adjustment was quite sharp but not "critical". Watching the drain waveform voltage on the scope was the best way to tweak but just tuning for minimum supply current seemed almost as good. > > Brian > > "OSBORN, Chris" wrote: > I'm generating 100 watts into my 50 ohm dummy load but > only getting an efficiency of about 50%. > The output transformer toroidal core is getting quite hot and I > suspect that it's permeability is too low as the capacitance > required > to bring it to resonance is far higher than those of published > designs > in the LF Experimenter's handbook, using the same number of turns. > These capacitors are running very hot too (as mentioned by PA0SE in > his LFEH article). > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail