Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14588 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 20:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 20:56:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12SQvi-0007Bc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:50:10 +0000 Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12SQvh-0007BX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:50:09 +0000 Received: from v3q4v1 (dc2-isdn873.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.151.105]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23059 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:49:59 +0100 (CET) From: "M. Sanders \(PA3BSH\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: CFH plots Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:42:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bf8875$abec3b40$69976dc2@v3q4v1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, /// > Does this account for the peak and fade sinewave effect we get on > CFH over about an hour, both at US sunset and UK dawn? > > Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) /// Reference measurements around the time of the '99 eclipse have indeed shown the same effect on 75kHz during sunrise and sunset. Since there should be a multi hop sky wave propagation between Canada and the UK also multiple peak and fade effects can occur. However the observations can be explained by this effect only if the timing of the events corellates with the dusk/dawn times at the position of the reflections against the D-layer. Or puting it the other way around if we study the timing of the effects we can approximate the location of the reflections against the D-layer and find out what the number of hops is on any lf DX propagational path. With some experience it should be possible to predict signal sunset/dawn related signal peaks and make a DX-sked accordingly. BTW: A North-South path or v.v. does not show multiple effects since the solar radiation changes at more or less the same time over the total propagational path. The effect could be more intense in this case. Propagational paths near the 'grey-line' should have a less intense effect, possibly obscuring one or more hops along the great-circle path passing near Iceland/Greenland. Greetings, Michael Sanders, PA3BSH