Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13538 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 12:51:46 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 May 2003 12:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8753 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 12:51:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 May 2003 12:51:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19CIwo-000639-45 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 13:50:30 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19CIwj-000630-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 13:50:25 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-104.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.104] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19CIwh-0001xT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 13:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c3123c$8e7b7860$68c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030430120518.00ade070@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001501c31001$6a079780$bee5fc3e@l8p8y6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030502115241.025564e8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:55:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Mains Cable and other transmission lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jim said > > The choice is not entirely arbitrary - as I recall, 50ohm coax gives the > best power handling capability for a given size of cable, while 75ohm gives > the lowest loss. This is probably academic in amateur practice because the > cost is usually a more significant consideration than the size! Over the years I had come to think of 50ohms for coax cable and RF equipment as some sort of Fundamental Constant and never questioned it. When I described test equipment in 'The Antenna Experimenter's Guide' it was always 50ohms where applicable. After reading Jim's e-mail I searched through all my radio books (Terman, Kraus et al) for enlightenment and the reason for 50ohms as a standard is not discussed at all. Any references Jim? > > Standardisation is not an insignificant advantage however - designing > everything to match to 50ohms means any transmitter, antenna tuner, power > meter, tuning aid, low-pass filter, dummy load etc., etc., can be > interconnected with predictable results, rather than having to devise > suitable matching for each piece of equipment, or conversion factors for > measurements. >I take the view that you have to do some sort of impedance > matching whether you want to or not, so designing the system to be 50 ohm > throughout is rather like designing everything to run from 230V, 50Hz - it > saves a lot of headaches! I guess what is used depends on how one's station evolved. All my experimental work, starting from generating RF at 73kHz in 1996 (using a signal generator and car stereo amplifier into a car headlight bulb load) took place in the shed at the bottom of the garden where the XYL doesn't care how messy it gets! The next stage was a wire antenna and a loading coil, all in close proximity to one another. Most existing RF test was not much use. Resonance was originally done by tuning for maximum noise in the receiver. RF power was measured using a current meter with a dummy load. The amplifier FET current indicated load on the amplifier. Power to the antenna was measured by RF current, which was also a final check of antenna resonance. An interim 50ohm impedance section seemed inappropriate. Now if the transmitter in some distance from the loading coil then that's a different matter. A 50 or 75ohm system then makes sense. So, using the analogy of designing everything to run from 230V, 50Hz - fine; unless of course you want to operate mobile or portable - in which case 12Vdc might be more appropriate. Test equipment for outside antenna measurements is often more convenient if battery powered. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web