Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22892 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 13:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 13:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3989 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 13:15:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14KKFa-0003yP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:09:42 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14KKFZ-0003yK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:09:41 +0000 Received: from [213.122.185.27] (helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14KKFN-0002T6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:09:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c083ab$4a411780$1bb97ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Testing LF losses in materials Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:05:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have certainly used Andy's technique with the microwave oven to test some materials. Obviously any 'resistive' losses with generate heat ( see the effect on metallised glaze crockery !!) but also these units cook by utilising and exciting the water-molecule resonance in food. I wonder if it possible that some materials containing small amounts of bound water (like wood) might get hot in a microwave, but not show significant effects at LF?? OR do I have to rethink my new LF loading coil fomer built on plywood cable-drum cheeks!! I do remember a number of years ago diathermy used to be a popular therapy for arthritus and for anyone living within about a mile of a hospital the 'office hours' qrm levels on HF could be quite high. I believe the 'dielectric heating' was conducted in the 400-600kHz range. I seem to remember this technique was also used in plastic fabrication for welding PVC and such materials, but I have no idea whether the same frequency range was used. One never hears anything of RFdiathermy now so perhaps this therapy has died out. I believe the machines were in the 250W to 1kW range, like power multivibrators and fed from raw rectified 50Hz power. It must have been in use before WWII as I believe many of these units were pressed into service by RV Jones and his team. I wonder whether there is any information in this are that would be of use in selecting LF low loss materials. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan Melia@btinternet.com