Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (rly-mb04.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.162]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d014ab782b03c5; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:42:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB045-d014ab782b03c5; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:42:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Mpj8j-0003pq-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:41:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Mpj8j-0003ph-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:41:13 +0100 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mpj7Y-0008GW-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:40:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 76808 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2009 13:40:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=jKtxkOQm0++81kW5bEu9CEqLLC1AtWGyBUTWw0136nqFG2nDDwZy2qeiOjHnS6uK4VWy802HxSK3pmIxRy4hNuibneh5gqE0pASkoIyP9Tbs0quDxg8AS90UCnxEil/vDxVlU4jjAcv0d6WBnGDXqZU5U+WnxJ+0lvSSm7LpCV4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@81.131.54.121 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2009 13:40:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: AtAm494VM1kZTd4VkCJyWH_aMHUXy9gXtJlldkhhiNqyOK_IYMRTXwL.V7dCRALEmUROgaZP3mUNzT4HrDRWp8b4lSkY0g8RnjrDq_fpV5xPCv9NKnbcYNd_aM0qTDGaPRZWb7C_6oOKPEeD8gjXBw7ATQ8MHbYZA8ly2c15zaNuVpGJkA1.Hcf4vXthhhdA7ZoaVjv1yrIo9w.XsKTs7wk.ha7mMlG5IDVzXkp0ZOjGjnfKe41oer_9b3EjyG0mVfTwozdOsvaPfDY19Oju9dL0G3jSNNTmh4iFNilUiuWHzGg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000401ca3ac1$18dd35d0$0900a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <47C531A902A946C9BE2EEC5C6B7E2EF3@presario1> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:40:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: US 500-kHz band plan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim. whist it involves a change in "usage" from our end it would not seem unreasonable to ensure that the US stations have a chance of hearing us without nearby swamping. I think this is an interesting development becasuse it now seems that Frtiz is extending the experiment to intercontinental tests/qsos.......an activity he discouraged earlier....due to the terms of the original application and grant I believe. I have to admit my opinions carry very little weight as a "non-active operator" :-)) But maybe it will stimulate others with differing opinions to voice them to you. Best wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: LF: Re: US 500-kHz band plan > Dear LF Group, > > I still haven't replied to Fritz Raab, W1FR, regarding the WD2XSH US band > plan which he is apparently coordinating - you may remember I posted the US > proposals, which he sent me, a couple of weeks ago, but have not received > any comments from other UK/Eu stations. I think I should reply with > something, so now is your chance... The proposal relates to the US > allocation extending to 495 - 515kHz, and how that would fit in with current > UK and Eu beacon operations. The content of the e-mail is below. The issue > is that they would like to make a 501.0 - 501.2kHz WSPR sub-band, to fit in > with the various other proposals. Various other types of beacon modes are > allocated frequencies outside the UK/EI/ON 501 - 504kHz range, while 501.2 - > 504kHz is allocated to "general comms". Retaining frequencies just below > 504kHz would divide their "general comms" band in two > > I don't think there is anything preventing us from doing this, it is just > the inconvenience of turning the current band "upside-down". Let me know > what you think! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > >>>From W1FR: > > Greetings: > > Thanks for the comments on the band plan, passed > along to me by W1XP. > > About a month ago, a modification to the WD2XSH > license was approved that adds stations and gives us > access to 495 - 510 kHz. Perhaps half of the 42 stations > will eventually get on the air. Because of NDBs, some > stations are limited to parts of this band and we will > have two calling frequencies and two beacon bands. > > A draft of our new band plan follows. Of particular > interest is WSPR. As I see it, our options are: > > (a) 501.0-501.2: Conveniently on one side of our comms > band. Will not overload WSPR receivers near 504 kHz. > Apparently in EU CW-beacon band. > > (b) 503.8-504.0: Apparently same as what you guys are > using. Cuts our comms band in the middle. Nearby > stations may overload US receivers trying to hear EUs. > > (c) 503.9-504.1: Same problems as above with cutting > comms band in two and overloading. Conveniently > straddles both G/ON/EI and Canadian bands. > > Any further thoughts you may have will be > appreciated. > > > 73, Fritz, W1FR > > Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab, Ph.D. > GREEN MOUNTAIN RADIO RESEARCH COMPANY > 77 Vermont Avenue, Fort Ethan Allen > Colchester, Vermont 05446 USA > Tel./Fax.: +1 (802) 655-9670 Home: +1 (802) 862-0997 > E-mail: f.raab@ieee.org > > BASIC BAND PLAN for WD2XSH > > f, kHz USE > > 495.0 - 495.1 QRSS, 1-Hz spacing, 40 stations > 495.1 - 495.6 CW/PSK beacons midwest, 100-Hz spacing, 10 stations > 495.6 - 499.0 Comms > 497.5 Calling frequency > 499.0 - 501.0 Reserved for heritage stations and special events > 501.0 - 501.2 WSPR > 501.2 - 505.0 Comms > 505.0 - 505.2 DX window > 505.2 - 508.5 Comms > 507.5 Calling frequency > 508.5 - 510.0 CW/PSK beacons east, south, west, Pacific, 50-Hz spacing, 30 > stations > 510.0 - 511.0 WE2XGR beacons > 511.0 - 515.0 WE2XGR SSB and wideband modes > > > OTHER IN-BAND SIGNALS > > 503.976 NEED LSB > 505.0 NEED carrier > 506.024 NEED USB > > 508.976 OF/FA LSB > 510.0 OF/FA carrier > 511.024 OF/FA USB > >