Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24056 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15751 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:47:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aGDB-0000xp-FJ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:25 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aGD7-0000xg-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:21 +0100 Received: from host213-122-76-120.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.76.120] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19aGD6-00077a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34628$cb8da640$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c34622$caa13220$80c828c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:44:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: re Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Bryan re1) You will get this.....ask any patent seeker. 2) it supplemented the mains earth and a couple of spikes...NB connecting the mains earth made a lot of difference. However Finbar has an underground armoured to a pole and transformer, and I guess there is quite a good earth at the pole to protect the transformer. His counterpoise had this effect as he already had about 1000pF or top-load wire out (5 wires) Hence my preference in 3 of topwires before counterpoise. I also believe from the article that Peter quoted in the Handbook that there is an advantage to earthing the remote end of the counterpoise if it is under a top-wire. I have no independent tests to confirm that yet. 3) difficult it probably depends on a lot of local factors, but personally I would put two in the air. Top load can be fan or zig-zag, and can be relatively light gauge wire as it carries less current, and not really "radiating current" (that may be contentious) I hope that helps a bit. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: 09 July 2003 15:02 Subject: LF: Re: re Earth losses > 1) every time I have a good idea some other B(oy) thought of it first. > > 2) Did Finbar's wire replace or supplement the real earth? > > 3) If you only had a given amount of wire for the horizontal , would you > put: > > One in the sky and one underneath it near ground > > OR > > Two in the sky. and a ground rod. > > Bryan