Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-ab3474359fa332; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:04:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB031-ab3474359fa332; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:04:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IubCM-0002bV-F2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:04:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IubCL-0002bM-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:04:01 +0000 Received: from smtpout0148.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.148] helo=n068.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IubCI-00028h-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:04:01 +0000 Received: from sc1-out05.emaildefenseservice.com (64.97.139.2) by n068.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 47030B1E003CD075 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:03:50 +0000 X-SpamScore: 2 X-Spamcatcher-Summary: 2,0,0,6e787b74756f832b,cb65441a52534549,g3kev.ham@virgin.net,-,RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:600:601:945:960:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1542:1587:1593:1594:1605:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2377:2379:2393:2551:2553:2559:2562:2689:2693:2828:3027:3636:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:5007:6119:7576,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,Do mainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none X-Spamcatcher-Explanation: Received: from g3kev (m43-mp2.cvx1-a.lee.dial.ntli.net [62.252.228.43]) by sc1-out05.emaildefenseservice.com (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000201c82bc1$3c442300$2be4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <000c01c82b85$97ec0010$2ee4fc3e@g3kev> <47430398.8000702@telia.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:57:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.421 Subject: Re: LF: CLASS E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Johan Tnx for your observations and info on class E. >From what you say there is no real point in having two class E pa's connected in series, just use a single ended pa and choose the components to suit the power output required. The second harmonic and all other harmonics can be suppressed with a LPF. My single ended pa is very clean and symetrical sine wave without any LPF although I have one in line, because I had already built it and use it. I was surprised that there were no odd harmonics detectable on the output rf signal considering all the sq wave in the pa driver etc. There has been very little response from anyone else about class E amp experiences, I expect they have never heard about this type of amplifier, or do not use them. I expect most are using class A,AB or C on 137 and 500 khz. 73 de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan H. Bodin" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: CLASS E > Mal, > > for proper class E operation, the drain waveform must be allowed to be > non-symmetrical so you cannot just use a center tapped output transformer. In > other words, there must be no "hard coupling" between the drains in a class E > push-pull amplifier. One way is to design two identical class E amplifiers, each > designed for an output power P into the load R. Note: Each amplifier must have > its own DC feeding choke - no center tapped stuff here! Then feed these two > amplifiers with push-pull drive (180 degrees phase shift) and connect the > primary winding of an output transformer between the outputs of the two > amplifiers. The output transformer should be designed so that 2*R will be "seen" > when "looking" into the primary. The total output power will be 2*P. With > sufficient Q in the series tanks (C2, L), the output current will be almost > sinusoidal, as in the single ended case, so the two halves of the amplifier will > not "know" that they are actually operating in push-pull. Since the two series > resonant tanks of the two amplifiers and the output transformer primary will all > be connected in series, you can simplify the circuit by using a single resonant > tank with twice the L and half the C. This may look assymetrical but it gives > exactly the same result (a few pF stray C can be neglected at these low > frequencies...). One can say that this is simply two class E amplifiers > connected in series. However, the even harmonic cancelling property of push-pull > is still there because of circuit (and drive) symmetry. > > I have tried this configuration, for example on 160m QRP, and it seems to work > very well. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > > hamilton mal skrev: > > Hi all > > Is anyone else using a class E PA on 500 or 137. Mine is single ended, maybe > > someone has a push pull design. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > >