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From: Terry GW0EZY <gw0ezy@sky.com>
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Content preview: Graham Fell asleep over the keyboard at 23:00 so took a guess
and left the system at 136.227 OP32. SDR14/SpectraVue was set up with dual
channel receive "dial" frequencies 136.000 and 136.227 kHz with mono output
so the OP32 decoder was seeing both OP32 sub-bands and could dual decode
VO1NA and the "normal" stations DF2JP DF6NM etc. Bet it wasn't designed to
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it seems to have sorted all the signals out. [...]
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Graham
Fell asleep over the keyboard at 23:00 so took a guess and left the system
at 136.227 OP32.
SDR14/SpectraVue was set up with dual channel receive "dial" frequencies
136.000 and 136.227 kHz with mono output so the OP32 decoder was seeing both
OP32 sub-bands and could dual decode VO1NA and the "normal" stations DF2JP
DF6NM etc. Bet it wasn't designed to do that as the decoder sees an extra
3dB of noise in this arrangement but it seems to have sorted all the signals
out.
Now off to the Telford rally.
73 and thanks for the test
Terry
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 01 September 2012 17:33
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA
Thanks Terry
This where it becomes a little messy
The mid band audio frequency's are OP32 = 1550 Hz and OP8 =
1650 Hz
So for a carrier frequency of 137.777 KHz , that gives Rx dial
set usb of 136.227 for OP32 and 136.127 for OP8
As the pass bands are 100 Hz wide , then these will be +/- 50 Hz
max
So depending on the Rx setting accuracy , you could round down to
the last , 20 Hz or 7 Hz
Eg my Skanti R5003 tunes in 100 Hz steps , so 136.2 or 136.1 , would
put me 27 Hz off , which all being well , leaves 20 Hz or so to
the filter edge
All Joe needs to post in advance is the selected mode speed as a
change of speed , will need a Rx re-set . I don't think Joe's TX
P/C is web linked , so there will not be a TX beacon ,
73-G.
NB:: Now if you want , that could also be translated to a dial set
for LSB as the Opera mode is only 1 tone ........ but I don't
think we will go there just yet .. but would that drop dfc39 out of
the rx pass band .... I wonder ..
From: Terry GW0EZY <mailto:gw0ezy@sky.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:05 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: VO1NA
Yes no problem. Please could you confirm the "dial" frequency?
If Opera could specify left or right audio channels I could do both
sub-bands as SDR-IQ/SpectraVue provides a two channel Rx with output on L
and R channels. Maybe SL could do the split for Opera.
I'll keep an eye on BS to see when to set up.
73 Terry
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 01 September 2012 12:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA
Terry
Joe was asking about running Opera beacon on 137.777 as he is
fixed frequency , but problem is arranging a monitor group as
operations are now 136.000 usb
Is it possible you could monitor 137.777 using Op mode , If Joe
runs overnight again ? Im sure we can arrange others to join in
Tnx
Graham
From: Terry GW0EZY <mailto:gw0ezy@sky.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:07 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: VO1NA
Joe
Screen grab of your signals last night. Strongest appears around 04:30 UTC
with interesting deep QSB dip about 1 hr later. Still copy at 07:00 UTC.
SDR14 with Wellbrook LFL1010 untuned loop
73 Terry GW0EZY
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Graham<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Fell asleep over the keyboard at 23:00 so took a guess and left the =
system at 136.227 OP32.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>SDR14/SpectraVue was set up with dual channel receive =
“dial” frequencies 136.000 and 136.227 kHz with mono output =
so the OP32 decoder was seeing both OP32 sub-bands and could dual decode =
VO1NA and the “normal” stations DF2JP DF6NM etc. Bet it =
wasn’t designed to do that as the decoder sees an extra 3dB of =
noise in this arrangement but it seems to have sorted all the signals =
out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Now off to the Telford rally.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>73 and thanks for the test<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Graham<br><b>Sent:</b> 01 September 2012 17:33<br><b>To:</b> =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: =
VO1NA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Terry <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This where it becomes a little =
messy <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The mid band audio =
frequency's are OP32 =3D =
1550 Hz and OP8 =3D 1650 Hz =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So for a carrier frequency =
of 137.777 KHz , that gives Rx =
dial set usb of 136.227 for =
OP32 and 136.127 for OP8 =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>As the pass bands are 100 =
Hz wide , then these will be =
+/- 50 Hz max <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So depending on the Rx =
setting accuracy , you could =
round down to the last , 20 Hz =
or 7 Hz <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Eg my Skanti R5003 tunes in 100 =
Hz steps , so 136.2 or 136.1 , would =
put me 27 Hz off , which all =
being well , leaves 20 Hz or so to =
the filter edge <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All Joe needs to post in =
advance is the selected mode speed as =
a change of speed , will need =
a Rx re-set . I don't think =
Joe's TX P/C is web linked , so there =
will not be a TX beacon =
,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>73-G.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>NB:: Now if you want , that =
could also be translated to a dial =
set for LSB as the Opera mode =
is only 1 tone ........ but I don't =
think we will go there just yet .. but =
would that drop dfc39 out of the rx =
pass band .... I wonder .. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:gw0ezy@sky.com" =
title=3D"mailto:gw0ezy@sky.com CTRL + Click to follow link">Terry =
GW0EZY</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span>=
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Saturday, September 01, 2012 4:05 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></=
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href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL + Click to follow =
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<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE: LF: =
VO1NA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Yes no problem. Please could you confirm the “dial” =
frequency?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If Opera could specify left or right audio channels I could do both =
sub-bands as SDR-IQ/SpectraVue provides a two channel Rx with output on =
L and R channels. Maybe SL could do the split for =
Opera.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I’ll keep an eye on BS to see when to set =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>73 Terry <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =
title=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CTRL + Click to =
follow link">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g=
roup@blacksheep.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Graham<br><b>Sent:</b> 01 =
September 2012 12:20<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: =
VO1NA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Terry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe was asking about =
running Opera beacon on 137.777 as he =
is fixed frequency , but problem is =
arranging a monitor group as =
operations are now 136.000 usb =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Is it possible you could =
monitor 137.777 using Op mode , If Joe =
runs overnight again ? Im sure we can arrange =
others to join in <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tnx<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Graham<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:gw0ezy@sky.com" title=3D"gw0ezy@sky.com">Terry =
GW0EZY</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Saturday, September 01, 2012 8:07 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =
title=3D"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</sp=
an></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> LF: =
VO1NA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Screen grab of your signals last night. Strongest appears around =
04:30 UTC with interesting deep QSB dip about 1 hr later. Still copy at =
07:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>SDR14 with Wellbrook LFL1010 untuned loop<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>73 Terry GW0EZY<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>
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