X-GM-THRID: 1199366284791738298 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bd5707cbe4f1f21760b6b9ff9bee71689cecb137 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.8 with SMTP id z8cs30318wrc; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.31.16 with SMTP id i16mr211076nfj; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:33:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si277988nfc.2006.03.31.03.33.41; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FPHp5-0003HU-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:29:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FPHp1-0003HL-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:29:43 +0100 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FPJUK-00019Y-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:16:44 +0100 Received: from acer5gi5q0ubzj (unknown [62.147.169.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD244901D; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:28:56 +0200 (CEST) From: "John W Gould" To: Cc: "Peter Kirby" Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c654b6$49efa120$cada380a@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Rugby LORAN measurement? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6624 Given that there may be a short break in LORAN transmission this coming Tuesday I thought that I would post an e-mail requesting measurement of the background noise floor, whilst the Rugby transmitter is off, and a further measurement when the Rugby LORAN signal re-appears. It would be helpful if this could be done in a number of locations around the UK, especially where the interference is significant, so that we can get a better picture as to the extent of the problem. Unfortunately, I will be travelling on Tuesday so won't be able to participate from my QTH in Newport Pagnell. I would like to be able to compare results from a number of sources, so it may be best to calculate the difference between the noise level in say a 500Hz bandwidth with and without the Rugby LORAN transmission and thus compare S/N. The other measurement that is probably worth doing is to measure the S/N of one of the lines. Any other suggestions? On the complaint front the RSGB made an official approach last year and had a reply from Trinity House. However, at the time it looked as if the NELS might close many of its LORAN transmitters at the end of 2005. Given that this didn't happen, and the continuing nature of the problem from the Rugby transmitter, I feel that we now need to follow-up our initial approach, and perhaps widen our concerns, given that a proposal for an Amateur Secondary allocation at 136kHz is on the agenda for WRC07. 73 John, G3WKL RSGB HF Manager