Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:15 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZ8o-0007yD-Hx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZ8o-0007x3-2y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZ8V-0005td-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZ8S-0005tU-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:52 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaZ8R-0006pX-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:52 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DaYsW-0007Ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:24 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DaYsV-00079v-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:24 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5605f$4a951110$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Stewart, LF Group, I think this is a very interesting propagation experiment, apart from potentially being able to enhance reception, so really ought to be tried. As you say, there has been speculation about LF "beam-forming" on and off for ages - I'm a bit sceptical about the extent to which the ionosphere will be prepared to co-operate, but it would certainly be interesting to find out the kind of separation between antennas that could be used for coherently processing the signals. I guess for an initial feasibility study it would only be necessary for a number of stations to simultaneously make recordings under defined conditions, and then the data could be up-loaded and post-processed at leisure. I have a few queries: -I presume you would have to initially synchronise the recordings to within a GRI period for the signals to be combined in this way - would this require some external timing signal, or is it possible to obtain that info from the Loran signals? -how would you compensate for variations in gain between different receiving stations? -how would you deal with variations of phase response within the passbands of different stations? As to whether I would run it at my station, certainly. I guess a broadband, "always on" internet connection would be a requirement, which at the moment I don't have, but may well get soon. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Nelson Sent: 24 May 2005 09:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: reception with multiple antennas Hi all, I've been dreaming about a system tentatively named MARS (Multi Antenna Reception System)....