Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6568 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 14:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 14:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 56860 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 14:34:58 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 14:34:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AqYyW-000Edz-8F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:34:56 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AqYxl-0006Kk-5r for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:34:09 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AqYxi-0006KY-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:34:06 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AqYNl-0000Vw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:56:57 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AqYNk-00034G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:56:56 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:56:55 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3efdd$bf1b15a0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D01A9F413@mail.dstl.gov.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: Timing GPS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF Group, With some 136kHz tests I did with Andy last year, it was apparent that, as well as accurate bit timing, a more or less constant carrier phase difference could be maintained over periods of hours using a GPS-derived carrier frequency. I suppose that the receiver would in principle then only have to determine the initial phase difference due to the propagation path, and no further clock recovery would be required. This might not be true over sky-wave paths with more rapidly varying characteristics though. Also, the indifferent accuracy of sound card sampling clocks would be a limitation if a sound card was to be used for reception. These tests used PSK at 0.1 bits per second - an advantage of a bit rate this low is that the "key clicks" generated by the abrupt phase transitions of the BPSK modulation are not a significant issue, because the phase transitions occur so infrequently. It also makes it a simple matter to manually synchronise the various clock circuits. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU