Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3375 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 09:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 09:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 10609 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 09:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 09:15:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 144fzl-0003SQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:08:41 +0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.210]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 144fzj-0003SL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:08:39 +0000 Received: from modem-229.barium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.229] helo=default) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 144fyn-00071g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:07:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c061be$e91f5880$e52f883e@default> From: "MAL HAMILTON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: SV: RE: Re:amplifiers Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:42:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: -----Original Message----- From: Johan Bodin To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 08 December 2000 17:42 Subject: LF: SV: RE: Re:amplifiers Andy and All >The parasitic diode is no good in this configuration for catching the >spikes from what I call the transient soak choke, I use separate clamp >diodes up to the rails effectively 'crosing over' the centre tapped >choke - see the circuit in the new LF Experimenters Book. I see. Yes, the MOSFET parasitic diodes are known to be slow. I will get a copy of the new LF book and have a look at the circuit. >By my reckoning no extra filtering is then necessary as second harmonic >is practically non existant due to the square wave drive, and third >harmonic is 26dB down to start with due to the tank and then seriously >reduced further by the antenna loading coil. True, but watch out for HF, and even VHF, radiation from the wire between the FETs and the series tuned circuit. I mesaured rise times of a few tens of nanoseconds on my experimental 4 * IRF640 H-bridge and the harmonics were strong even on my 144 MHz receiver! Well, the PA was breadboarded and the "hot wire" was half a meter long. A metal case enclosing the PA and the series circuit will probably help... >I also have it on good authority from a transmitter designer, that the >classic PI filter with input C is VERY bad news for using at the output >of MOSFET PAs. Class D PAs come in two flavours. Current switching and Voltage switching. Full and half H-bridges (the Decca TX has this configuration I guess?) are voltage switching amplifiers where the drain voltage is a square wave and the fundamental frequency energy is sucked out by a series resonant circuit to the load. The transistor current is sinusoidal for obvious reasons. One half period per transistor. Yes, a C input filter is really bad news in this case as it would lead to infinite current spikes if all components were ideal... Current switching PAs, on the other hand, works the other way around. The current through the transistors is a square wave (a constant DC current that is alternating between the devices) while the voltage (across the "off" transistor) is sinusoidal. This kind of PA *NEEDS* a C input filter, or a parallel tuned tank. The choke feeding the center tap of the output transformer is very important since it keeps the DC current constant over the RF period (the voltage at the center tap is NOT a steady DC!) This circuit is probably more likely to blow FETs than the voltage switching circuit. I can imagine two reasons for this: 1 - the DC feeding choke (and the leak inductance in the transformer) will kick up the voltage during the drive gap, 2 - a load mismatch may kill the transistors with excessive voltage (depending on LPF design). Some kind of "spike eaters" such as Zobel networks (R+C) are necessary to protect the transistors. The G3YXM design is a well known example of a current switching PA. 73 Johan SM6LKM While my observations would agree with the above facts. Care without a lot of inbuilt protection is necessary. I use the YXM approach and todate have never blown any fets at power out levels of 800w. My equipment is all home built and arranged to match 50 ohms throughout the system. I tune up using the SWR method ie min ref in conjunction with max forward. I DO NOT tune for max SMOKE/RF OUT. This is FATAL to FETS in the PA. When tuning up with an ammeter in cct but using the SWR method swinging the resonsant point either side of resonance will indicate an increase in RF out on the ammeter also if you are monitoring the DC amps applied to the FETS it will increase to dangerous levels ie BLOW UP. I know some by their own admittance only use the tune for max smoke method and blow FETS GALORE. Only when they have been converted to the swr method have they ceased to blow up the PA'S. This info should be OLD HAT but it is surprising how many LFers and others that should know better have been caught out. Tube amps are more rugged and will normally stand the strain, at least you get some warning and adjust accordingly. Fets just silently go. ALSO What person with any sense would operate into an erratic load where the swr is fluctuating wildly ie shabby antenna blowing about in the wind. If you blow fets under these circumstances you do not deserve sympathy. Use a stable antenna or go qrt under adverse wx conditions. G3KEV