Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11256 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1999 03:06:16 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 03:06:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 27333 invoked from network); 14 Nov 1999 03:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 14 Nov 1999 03:05:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11mppm-0001oM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:56:06 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11mppk-0001oH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 02:56:05 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.4.) id l.0.30bc2a5b (3970) for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:54:35 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <0.30bc2a5b.255f7e6b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:54:35 EST Subject: Re: LF: RE: CFA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 11/13/99 5:19:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, akestelo@bellatlantic.net writes: << The way I perceive the situation, some people are becoming upset because a new approach (unfortunately labeled "revolutionary") does not match the theories we have all learned. >> I have a somewhat different perspective, I guess. It appears to me that supporters of supposedly revolutionary approaches become upset when the rest of us don't jump on the bandwagon without proof... which, in this case, is still not at hand, nor particularly imminent. They fall back on the argument that we're blinded by "conventional theory." I put that in quotes because I'm not sure what "conventional theory" they mean; perhaps the generalizations and rules of thumb for specific antenna types that make it into amateur handbooks or other popular literature. In this sense, "conventional theory" falls short of describing a good many existing antennas, but it's only because we're accustomed to looking at such a limited subset of that theory. When it comes to electromagnetics, the field --no pun intended-- that properly encompasses all antennas, the available body of theory is far more than a collection of hypotheses. It's founded in Maxwell's work, which the CFA inventors themselves invoke freely (the question now being, how loosely have they done). Conventional theory has been tested since the days of Prof. Hertz and not found wanting. It is not just an explanation for why everyday antenna systems work, but a powerful tool for predicting some very unconventional ones. This is the test that makes theory in the formal sense something vastly more than an hypothesis. The maths of electromagnetics are more than most of us comprehend, beyond the mere mechanical level of plugging numbers into equations. However, there are those who do appreciate the subtleties behind the numbers, and have manipulated them in very creative ways to produce antennae that don't look anything like monopoles or dipoles: slot antennas, dielectric rods, horns... the list goes on and on. As different as they all are, they are not only understood in terms of conventional theory, but are a direct result of its accurate application. Whether the CFA will belong to this family or not remains to be seen. I concur with Andre' that there should be good opportunities to measure the results from the IoM station. I don't believe I'll be satisfied by it just working, though. Of course it will work. As Peter mentioned, experimenters already know how to radiate RF from woefully miniscule aerials. In addition, I have heard CFAs on the air. Barely. My skepticism arises not from fear that old ideas will have to be revised, but from the consistent reports of users that their CFAs are "almost" as strong as their regular antenna systems. This does not readily square with glowing claims that CFAs are frequency-independent and inherently more efficient than resonant antennas. The question to be answered is really twofold: Does the CFA truly work well enough to represent a breakthrough? Will any real engineering data be gathered INSIDE the antenna (current distribution and phase among the elements)? Without satisfactory answers to both parts, claims of any new principle at work will remain completely baseless. 73, John KD4IDY